[phenixbb] Incorrect secondary structure assignment in a .pdb

Pavel Afonine pafonine at lbl.gov
Fri Jun 29 10:29:44 PDT 2018


If you have manual SS annotation (or semi-manual) that you believe is 
correct -- keep it. Likely, automatically generated SS annotation is 
going to be worse. But if you like jumping between tools then I afraid 
you are to live with the fact that all of them have different ideas 
about handling SS records.

A tool that may be handy in this context is 
phenix.secondary_structure_validation which validates SS records.

Pavel

On 6/29/18 08:05, Maciej Jagielnicki wrote:
> Thanks Oleg,
> I was using the 'pdb extract' online tool provided by the PDB website. 
> This creates a .cif file but removes SS info.
> Your way of doing things creates .cif files with SS info in them (at 
> least in my hands phenix works better here). The fact that Chimera 
> does not read SS info from cif files is another story, but cif support 
> is limited.
> I think this is as good as it gets. Most importantly, my pdbs are in 
> order, so I should now be in the clear - regardless what individual 
> viewers display. Thank you for the explanation!
> Maciej
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Oleg Sobolev <osobolev at lbl.gov 
> <mailto:osobolev at lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Maciej,
>
>         The main problem in my original question is that when I (or
>         the pdb extract tool that converts a .pdb file to a .cif file
>         for submission to PDB)
>
>     Can you describe more specifically what exactly the tool you are
>     using? One way around it would be to convert your pdb to mmcif using
>     phenix.pdb_as_cif
>     tool which will preserve SS information.
>
>          How can you have SS elements displayed if it description is
>         missing from the header?
>
>     As pointed by Ricardo, visualization programs usually can display
>     SS without any header. On top of that, whether they will use the
>     header if it is present - also depend on particular program.
>
>     Best regards,
>     Oleg Sobolev.
>
>         On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:38 PM, Pavel Afonine
>         <pafonine at lbl.gov <mailto:pafonine at lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
>             Hi Maciej,
>
>             please have a look at item #10 and Notes section here:
>
>             http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/reference/real_space_refine.html
>             <http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/reference/real_space_refine.html>
>
>             One sentence summary is: Make sure you use secondary
>             structure (SS) restraints in refinement, also making sure
>             you provide SS annotations as HELIX/SHEET records in input
>             PDB that are as accurate as possible; this is critical for
>             successful refinement.
>
>             If you have more questions please get back to us!
>
>             Good luck!
>             Pavel
>
>
>
>             On 6/28/18 09:23, Maciej Jagielnicki wrote:
>>             Hi All,
>>
>>             I used a combination of phenix real space refine and Coot
>>             to build a model into a cryoEM density map. I used an
>>             existing .pdb file as a starting point for my building.
>>             During the build, some helical elements became strands
>>             and vice versa (it was very clear to my eyes).
>>             Unfortunately, neither Phenix nor Coot would
>>             automatically update the header information for secondary
>>             structure elements, and I had to manually edit the header
>>             so that helices would show up in correct places when the
>>             .pdb file was viewed in Chimera or similar software. Not
>>             an ideal way of doing this which is likely related to
>>             what happened next.
>>
>>             When the header information is removed, however, as it
>>             happens when the pdb.extract tool prepares a .pdb file
>>             for submission by turning it into a .cif file, the
>>             secondary structure elements are still displayed when a
>>             .cif file is visualized (bizzare in itself) but also the
>>             secondary structure is taken straight from the starting
>>             .pdb file (the one I used as a base for my model to which
>>             there is no connection whatsoever). The question is this
>>             - where does the incorrect secondary information come
>>             from in the absence of the header? How to fix this? I
>>             cannot deposit a file that shows helices/sheets wherever
>>             it wants...
>>
>>             Regards,
>>             Maciej J.
>>
>>             -- 
>>             Maciej Jagielnicki, MS.
>>             Graduate Student
>>             University of Virginia
>>             Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics
>>             480 Ray C Hunt Drive Rm 320
>>             Charlottesville, VA
>>             Lab Phone: 434-243-2520
>
>
>
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