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    Hi Reza,<br>
    <br>
    this may mean several things. Perhaps TLS group selection isn't
    optimal or incorrect? phenix.find_tls_groups relies on B factors to
    annotate TLS groups. Were B factors meaningful (refined before
    running phenix.find_tls_groups)?<br>
    <br>
    You can try weight optimization.<br>
    <br>
    Values of TLS matrices cannot be interpreted directly, they can be
    positive or negative. This is discussed in great details here:<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2015/08/00/rr5096/rr5096.pdf">http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2015/08/00/rr5096/rr5096.pdf</a><br>
    <br>
    You can check if TLS matrices are physically meaningful by running<br>
    <br>
    phenix.tls_analysis model.pdb<br>
    <br>
    If it runs all the way till completion - all is  good. Otherwise, in
    case of nonsensical TLS it will stop and tell what's wrong.<br>
    <br>
    Perhaps you enabled TLS refinement too early (model isn't good yet)?<br>
    <br>
    Pavel<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/30/17 05:30, Reza Khayat wrote:<br>
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      <p>Hi,<br>
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      <p>I'm having difficulty with performing TLS refinement on
        a highly symmetric system. The difference between the R_work and
        R_free increases with TLS refinement (16.5/21.4 changes to
        14.4/22.2). The TLS tensors for some of the group are not
        sensible (if I understand the literature correctly) -there are
        some negative numbers for the T and L tensors (see below). The
        TLS groups were identified with phenix.find_tls_groups. Any
        suggestions would be appreciated. <br>
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      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">    SELECTION: chain
        </span><span class="s2">'A'</span><span class="s1"> and (resid  
        </span><span class="s2">38</span><span class="s1">  through  
        </span><span class="s2">68</span><span class="s1"> )</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">    ORIGIN FOR THE GROUP (A): 
        </span><span class="s2">56</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">6459</span><span class="s1"> -</span><span
          class="s2">23</span><span class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">5648</span><span
          class="s1"> -</span><span class="s2">59</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0695</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">    T TENSOR</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      T11:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">2105</span><span class="s1"> T22:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">2895</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      T33:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0962</span><span class="s1"> T12:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0829</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      T13:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0473</span><span class="s1"> T23:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0007</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">    L TENSOR</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      L11:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0446</span><span class="s1"> L22:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0120</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      L33:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0096</span><span class="s1"> L12:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0246</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      L13:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0209</span><span class="s1"> L23:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0106</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">    S TENSOR</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      S11:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0228</span><span class="s1"> S12:  -</span><span
          class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0268</span><span
          class="s1"> S13:  -</span><span class="s2">0</span><span
          class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0023</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      S21:  -</span><span class="s2">0</span><span
          class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0507</span><span
          class="s1"> S22:  
        </span><span class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span
          class="s2">0526</span><span class="s1"> S23:  -</span><span
          class="s2">0</span><span class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0287</span></p>
      <p class="p1"><span class="s1">REMARK   </span><span class="s2">3</span><span
          class="s1">      S31:  -</span><span class="s2">0</span><span
          class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0296</span><span
          class="s1"> S32:  -</span><span class="s2">0</span><span
          class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0137</span><span
          class="s1"> S33:   </span><span class="s2">0</span><span
          class="s1">.</span><span class="s2">0534​</span></p>
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      <p>The data set is complete at 2.3Å resolution and there are no
        strange crystal phenotypes. <br>
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      <p>Best wishes,<br>
        Reza<br>
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          <div>City College of New York</div>
          <div>Department of Chemistry</div>
          <div>New York, NY 10031</div>
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