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Persistant high average B-factor.
by Joseph Brock 10 Jun '10

10 Jun '10

Dear Phenix users, I am currently using version 1.6.1-353 and I'm working on a 1.7A structure that has refined quite well using Individual_sites+individual_adp(isotropic)+occupanices+TLS: Final R-work = 0.1776, R-free = 0.2262 However, I noticed that the average B-factor reported by polygon with these settings was quite high ( < 0.1 of other structures with a similar resolution). Discovering I could not change the value of wxu_scale when using individual_adp+TLS, I went about trying to reduce the average B using the method described here: http://phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2007-September/000511.html However, I still can't seem to reduce the average B-factor. I've just done a refinement with the following non-default (extreme) target weight settings: target_weights { wxc_scale = 1.5 fix_wxc = 2 fix_wxu = 0.1 (wxu_scale = 1) But if anything, reducing wxu to such low values makes the avergae B-even higher while concuretnly making the gap between R-values much worse: Final R-work = 0.1602, R-free = 0.2457 This suggests to me that I'm obviously over fitting the data but I'm at a loss on how to proceed. Should i just accept that the automatic scaling used for Phenix TLS wxu is doing a good job and that my structure actually does have an unusually high avergae B? I'm fitting two ligands into density, which is at several places ambiguous, so I would like the most unbiased difference density possible. Many thanks in advance, Joe. _________________________________________________________________ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/

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Autobuild error message, please help!!!
by 신인철 10 Jun '10

10 Jun '10

Hi, everyone I have a problem in running phenix.automr I started AutoMR with the command: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- phenix.automr build=True data=ZZZZZZ_H-Nat_x22_P3221_from_P321.sca \ coords='1_SMsp.pdb 2_SMsp.pdb 3_SMsp.pdb 4_SMsp.pdb' \ identity='40 32 29 27' seq_file=ZZZZZZ_seq.dat input_seq_file=ZZZZZZ_seq.dat \ copies=4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ AutoMR process seems to be done without any error but during autobuild process, I encounterd an error message as follows ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Re-using input PDB coordinates in build this cycle Running 3 parallel build jobs Standard build in parallel starting with refine.pdb_1 This is the first try at building this model Setting background=False as nproc=1 Try: 1 building 1 model Try: 2 building 1 model Try: 3 building 1 model Running up to 1 jobs in parallel... with total of 3 jobs Splitting work into 3 jobs and running 1 at a time with csh in /data1/disk02/icshin/UGI/MR/PHENIX_MR_8/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0 Starting job 1... **************************************************************************** **** Failed to carry out AutoBuild_build_cycle: child process stderr output: command: 'csh /data1/disk02/icshin/ZZZ/MR/PHENIX_MR_8/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0/RUN_FILE_1' icshin_com: No such file or directory. **************************************************************************** **** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------- What am I supposed to do? Please, help me! ------------------------------------------------------- Inchul Shin Structural Biology Lab. CALS. Seoul Nationl Univ.

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how-to change resolve keywords using phenix.multi_crystal_average
by Bjørn Panyella Pedersen 09 Jun '10

09 Jun '10

Dear board I am doing a difficult case of density modification. I get good results using resolve after optimising some keywords. I now want to use multicrystal averaging. This works ok in dmmulti, but I would like to combine it with resolve. For this I have tried phenix.multi_crystal_average, which also runs phenix.resolve, but it uses default keywords for resolve, and I can't find documentation on how to change these keywords. Current maps from phenix.multi_crystal_average are worse that the optimized resolve maps, and I believe this is because of the default resolve settings. Is it possible to control resolve keywords using phenix.multi_crystal_average? And how can I do it? Thanks in advance -Bjørn -- Bjørn Panyella Pedersen, PhD Postdoc PUMPKIN, Centre for Membrane Pumps in Cells and Disease University of Aarhus, Dept. Molecular Biology Gustav Wieds Vej 10C DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark Phone: +45 89425261 E-mail: bjopp(a)bioxray.au.dk http://www.bioxray.au.dk

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Re: [phenixbb] phenixbb Digest, Vol 55, Issue 7
by ak2197＠columbia.edu 07 Jun '10

07 Jun '10

Ok Alex Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: phenixbb-request(a)phenix-online.org Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:00:01 To: <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org> Subject: phenixbb Digest, Vol 55, Issue 7 Send phenixbb mailing list submissions to phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to phenixbb-request(a)phenix-online.org You can reach the person managing the list at phenixbb-owner(a)phenix-online.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of phenixbb digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Robert Ng wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn (Robert Ng) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Ng <ubi(a)ufl.edu> To: PHENIX list <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org> Subject: [phenixbb] Robert Ng wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1916754023.4088196.1275926249246.JavaMail.app(a)ech3-cdn13.prod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" LinkedIn ------------ PHENIX, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Robert Ng Robert Ng Graduate Research Assistant at Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics Gainesville, Florida Area Confirm that you know Robert Ng https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/1366202655/UCksvc1y/ ------ (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/attachments/20100607/f95d09c5/a…> ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb End of phenixbb Digest, Vol 55, Issue 7 ***************************************

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Robert Ng wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
by Robert Ng 07 Jun '10

07 Jun '10

LinkedIn ------------ PHENIX, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Robert Ng Robert Ng Graduate Research Assistant at Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics Gainesville, Florida Area Confirm that you know Robert Ng https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/1366202655/UCksvc1y/ ------ (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation

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A couple of questions regarding twinning
by Pietro Roversi 03 Jun '10

03 Jun '10

Dear all, A couple of questions regarding twinning: 1. The structure I work with has multiple twinning domains (4 to be exact, with pseudo-orthorhombic 222 symmetry induced by twinning in P1). I feed the autobuild script the operators using a keyord: input_files.refine_eff_file_list=mytwinrefinement.eff (see attached file) but only the last one seems to be used. Do I guess correctly that there is only provision for two domains adn therefore the last twinning definition overrides any previously defined one? If so, is there a way of specifying and using multiple twinning domains/operators? 2. Output structure factor amplitudes: are they detwinned? Are they detwinned before the density modification in resolve? and during it? Thanks for any clarification/suggestions Regards Pietro

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Re: [phenixbb] NAG-NAG description
by Chris Ulens 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

Thanks for the feedback. I would like to refine a NAG-NAG chain attached to residue Asn122 in my structure. There are 5 identical subunits. Could you verify my .params file? I get the following error: Empty atom selection refinement .pdb_interpretation.apply_cif_link.residue_selection_1="chain A and resname NAG and resid 122" Thanks. -Chris On 31 May 2010, at 21:34, Georg Mlynek wrote: > Dear Chris, this did it for me. > > > Create a file which you can call whatever you want even the extension > doesn't matter. E.g.: cif_link.params > > Put in this file your links: (Which Atom of residue1 will be > connected to > which Atom in residue2 is already defined in mon_lib_list.cif) > > > > refinement.pdb_interpretation.apply_cif_link { > data_link = NAG-ASN > residue_selection_1 = chain A and resname NAG and resid 500 > residue_selection_2 = chain A and resname ASN and resid 297 > } > refinement.pdb_interpretation.apply_cif_link { > data_link = BETA1-4 > residue_selection_1 = chain A and resname NAG and resid 500 > residue_selection_2 = chain A and resname NAG and resid 501 > } > refinement.pdb_interpretation.apply_cif_link { > data_link = BETA1-4 > residue_selection_1 = chain A and resname NAG and resid 501 > residue_selection_2 = chain A and resname BMA and resid 502 > } > refinement.pdb_interpretation.apply_cif_link { > data_link = ALPHA1-3. > > residue_selection_1 = chain A and resname BMA and resid 502 > residue_selection_2 = chain A and resname MAN and resid 503 > } > > 4) add this file in the GUI > > > Or run % phenix.refine model.pdb data.hkl cif_link.params > > > 5)Trouble shooting > > a)run iotbx.phil cif_link.params (this checks if the syntax is > right) > > b) check .eff file the links should be added there. You can also > check the . > geo file if you see anything strange. > > c)Having unknown to phenix.refine item in PDB file (novel ligand, > etc... > (BMA is also not there) ). phenix.refine uses the CCP4 Monomer > Library as > the source of stereochemical information for building geometry > restraints > and reporting statistics. If phenix.refine is unable to match an > item in > input PDB file against the Monomer Library it will stop with "Sorry" > message > explaining what to do and listing the problem atoms. If this > happened, it is > necessary to obtain a cif file (parameter file, describing unknown > molecule) > by either making it manually or having eLBOW program to generate it: > > phenix.elbow model.pdb --do-all --output=all_ligands > > this will ask eLBOW to inspect the model_new.pdb file, find all > unknown > items in it and create one cif file for them all_ligands.cif. > Alternatively, > one can specify a three-letters name for the unknown residue: > > phenix.elbow model.pdb --residue=MAN --output=man > > !Check the file if everything is ok! > > > Please correct if this is not ok, or there is an easier way now. > > Kind regards George. > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org > [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Chris Ulens > Gesendet: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:14 PM > An: PHENIX user mailing list > Betreff: Re: [phenixbb] NAG-NAG description > > Dear glycobiologists and phenixfriends. > > I am trying to refine a NAG-NAG chain attached to an Asn122 in my > (pentameric) structure. > What is the proper description in the cif_link.params that is the > equivalent of the pdb description pasted below that phenix so kindly > ignores? > Also, what is the proper way to define the cif_link.params file in the > GUI? > > Thank you. > -Chris > > > LINK ND2 ASN A 122 C1 NAG A 834 1555 > 1555 1.37 > LINK O4 NAG A 834 C1 NAG A 835 1555 > 1555 1.43 > LINK ND2 ASN B 122 C1 NAG B 834 1555 > 1555 1.37 > LINK O4 NAG B 834 C1 NAG B 835 1555 > 1555 1.43 > LINK ND2 ASN C 122 C1 NAG C 834 1555 > 1555 1.37 > LINK O4 NAG C 834 C1 NAG C 835 1555 > 1555 1.43 > LINK ND2 ASN D 122 C1 NAG D 834 1555 > 1555 1.37 > LINK O4 NAG D 834 C1 NAG D 835 1555 > 1555 1.43 > LINK ND2 ASN E 122 C1 NAG E 834 1555 > 1555 1.37 > LINK O4 NAG E 834 C1 NAG E 835 1555 > 1555 1.43 > > --------------------------------------------------- > Chris Ulens, Ph.D. > Lab of Structural Neurobiology > Department of Molecular Cell Biology > Campus Gasthuisberg, ON1 > Herestraat 49, PB 601 > B-3000 Leuven > Belgium > e chris.ulens(a)med.kuleuven.be > t +32 16 345812 > f +32 16 345699 > w http://www.xtal.be > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb

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segmentation fault
by Harry M. Greenblatt 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

BS"D Dear All, We had the phenix 1.6.1 GUI running on a fedora core 12 machine; it was thought, for different reasons, that a kernel upgrade would address certain issues unrelated to phenix. The machine is now running 2.6.32.12-115.fc12 (64 bit) and phenix now gives a segmentation fault. Any suggestions? Thanks Harry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Harry M. Greenblatt Associate Staff Scientist Dept of Structural Biology harry.greenblatt(a)weizmann.ac.il Weizmann Institute of Science Phone: 972-8-934-3625 Rehovot, 76100 Facsimile: 972-8-934-4159 Israel

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Weight optimization
by Jianghai Zhu 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi, I am using the optimize_wxc=true and optimize_wxu=true in my last refinement. The R and Rfree went down but the RMSDs were way too large. I wonder if phenix.refine still targets the geometry when it optimizes the R and Rfree. Here are the results from almost two identical runs except the weight optimization. 1) optimize_wxc = False optimize_wxu = False wxc_scale=0.08 wxu_scale=1.66 results: R=0.2294 R-free=0.2709 angl=1.087 bond=0.006 2) optimize_wxc = True optimize_wxu = True wxc_scale=0.08 wxu_scale=1.66 results: R=0.2141 R-free=0.2628 angl=2.894 bond=0.033 I am using the dev-412 version. Thanks. -- Jianghai

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offtopic: Problem with Pymol showing maps
by Tatyana Sysoeva 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi all, if somebody is still not on the memorial day weekend, I have a short question off-topic for Pymol-users I have several maps from Phenix and want to draw some pictures in Pymol. I am opening the files, renamed to ccp4 or map, or not, and all I am getting is just a box, which is not even a unit cell boundary. If you know some nice simple program to do nice pictures of the electron densities- share your knowledge please! Sincerely Tanya

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