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Re: [phenixbb] low resolution data/parameter ratio
by Pavel Afonine 15 Aug '09

15 Aug '09

Hi Gerwald, > Two more quick questions: > how would you identify the best strategy? I would look at Rfree and Rfree-Rwork, and maps of course. To help in deciding what are the "good / reasonable" values, use POLYGON (Acta Cryst. D65, 297-300 (2009)) (phenix.polygon), local real-space correlation (phenix.real_space_correlation). I think Nat bundled them all into his magic tool called phenix.validation with will do this and more (it is GUI based). > I would aim for the lowest number of parameters with reasonably low > Rfree? Yes, this sounds right in general. > Does phenix report the total number of parameters refined anywhere in > the log? It's trivial and not at the same time (at least the way I understand it, of course I might be very wrong). It's trivial to compute the number of refinable parameters given the strategy you choose, but how you will count the restraints which are kind of quasi-observables, and what about weight that if chosen too strong so it can turn the restraints into quasi-constraints? Pavel.

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low resolution data/parameter ratio
by gerwald jogl 15 Aug '09

15 Aug '09

Hi All, I am struggling with low resolution data (3.6 A) and I am concerned about overfitting. I have a ratio of about 3 reflections per atom. Possible refinement scenarios would be a) coordinates+tls, b) coordinates, group_adp, tls or c) coordinates, individual_adp, tls. The last scenario seems to be pushing the limits. I wonder if there are studies, thoughts or opinions out there on which refinement scenario to use. Thanks for any comment on this, Gerwald

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adding sutrates in phenix.refine
by Rune wederkinck Andersen 15 Aug '09

15 Aug '09

Hi everyone I'm running a refinement in phenix.refine. I'm now trying to ad two subtrates AMP and RP5. The phenix.refine seams to reconise AMP but not the RP5 molecules. It seams as if this molecules is well known for the program (phenix-1.4-3/ext_ref_files/chemical_components/r/data_RP5.cif). In my PDB file the two molecules are described like this: ... HETATM 19 C6 AMP A 301 35.852 19.986 36.427 1.00 22.32 A HETATM 20 N6 AMP A 301 35.448 19.736 37.693 1.00 24.44 A HETATM 21 N7 AMP A 301 36.400 17.540 35.616 1.00 23.01 A HETATM 22 C8 AMP A 301 36.853 17.097 34.416 1.00 21.98 A HETATM 23 N9 AMP A 301 37.034 18.126 33.560 1.00 19.84 A HETATM 1 P' RP5 A 302 30.291 24.910 31.815 0.25 10.66 A HETATM 2 C5' RP5 A 302 32.348 25.416 30.301 0.25 14.76 A HETATM 3 O5' RP5 A 302 31.481 24.448 30.868 0.25 12.67 A HETATM 4 C4' RP5 A 302 33.260 24.753 29.307 0.25 15.58 A HETATM 5 C3' RP5 A 302 33.017 25.227 27.872 0.25 15.17 A HETATM 6 O3' RP5 A 302 33.951 26.264 27.522 0.25 14.15 A HETATM 7 C2' RP5 A 302 33.282 23.935 27.083 0.25 16.11 A HETATM 8 O2' RP5 A 302 34.571 23.963 26.478 0.25 13.68 A HETATM 9 C1' RP5 A 302 33.351 22.848 28.160 0.25 16.92 A HETATM 10 O1' RP5 A 302 32.775 23.415 29.296 0.25 16.62 A HETATM 11 O1 RP5 A 302 32.631 21.639 27.867 0.25 20.12 A HETATM 12 O1X RP5 A 302 29.112 25.373 30.809 0.25 10.53 A HETATM 13 O2X RP5 A 302 29.912 23.844 32.781 0.25 10.59 A HETATM 14 O3X RP5 A 302 30.793 26.258 32.567 0.25 9.63 A ATOM 1 N MET B 1 63.305 2.511 45.667 1.00 64.80 B ATOM 2 CA MET B 1 62.528 3.463 46.463 1.00 68.29 B ATOM 3 C MET B 1 62.555 4.863 45.882 1.00 65.73 B ATOM 4 O MET B 1 63.607 5.325 45.446 1.00 64.47 B ... I have tried with phenix.elbow as well but didn't work... Please help... Rune _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/

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Running Autobuild after Autosol
by Katya Heldwein 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hi, how do I specify running Autobuild after Autosol, in the command line mode? I see the "phenix.autobuild after_autosol" option in the manual, but how will Autobuild know which Autosol run to use? Katya -- Ekaterina Heldwein, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Department of Molecular Biology and Microbiology Tufts University 136 Harrison Ave Boston, MA 02111 phone: 617-636-0858 fax: 617-636-0337 e-mail: katya.heldwein(a)tufts.edu

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CC beamtime application deadline this saturday
by Banumathi Sankaran 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Dear Users, The deadline for October/November/December 2009 Collaborative Crystallography proposals will be August 15, 2009. Thumbnail Description: Through the Collaborative Crystallography Program (CC) at the Advanced Light Source (ALS), scientists can send protein crystals to Berkeley Center for Structural Biology (BCSB) staff researchers for data collection and analysis. The CC Program can provide a number of benefits to researchers: * Obtain high quality data and analysis through collaborating with expert beamline researchers; * Rapid turn around on projects; and * Reduced travel costs. To apply, please submit a proposal through the ALS General User proposal review process for beamtime allocation. Proposals are reviewed and ranked by the Proposal Study Panel, and beamtime is allocated accordingly. BCSB staff schedule the CC projects on Beamlines 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 to fit into the available resources. Only non-proprietary projects will be accepted. As a condition of participation, BCSB staff researchers who participate in data collection and/or analysis must be appropriately acknowledged - typically being included as authors on publications and in PDB depositions. Please consult the website for additional information at: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Collaborative_Crystallography ============= How To Apply: To learn more, go to: http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/independinvest.html To submit a proposal, go to: http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/. Scroll down to "Structural Biology beamlines (includes protein SAXS)" and click on "New Proposal." Enter your proposal information, with attention to the following details: * For question 3/First choice, select "5.0.1 (Monochromatic);" for question 3/Second choice, select "5.0.2 (MAD)." * Check box (yes) in response to question "Do you want collaborative crystallography (beamline 5.0.1 or 5.0.2 only ?) * In question 9, please describe a specific research project with a clear end point. In order to request CC time for October/November/December 2009 allocation period, proposals must be submitted by August 15, 2009. Please note that the ALS will be shut down in September, 2009. The deadline for CC proposals for the time period January/February 2010 will be November 15, 2009. Regards, Banumathi Sankaran

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine special positions
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hi Simon, To add to the previous answers, note that phenix.refine currently doesn't work well if you want to allow symmetry copies of your ligands to overlap. If you move to individual coordinate refinement you have to fix such ligands; i.e. it won't automatically repair bonds distorted by rigid-body refinement. Removing this limitation is on my to-do list. Ralf

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phenix.refine special positions
by Simon Kolstoe 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Dear Pavel et al. Is there any way of defining a residue for rigid body refinement if a couple of the atoms are sitting on a symmetry axis? i.e. can I define the rigid body to be chain L but not the atoms that are giving the problems? I keep on getting the error: ================== Extract refinement strategy and selections ================= Some atoms selected for rigid body refinement are in special positions (listed below). Please remove these atoms from the rigid body selection and run refinement again. "ATOM 4 C4 A12 L 2 .*. C " Sorry: Atoms at special positions are within rigid groups. Thanks, Simon

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Shake
by esmael 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hi, Would be possible to only add "Shake" to the side-chain atoms during the refinement with Phenix? Thanks, Esmael

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phenix.xtriage says that entire res range contains anomalous signal but chart says differently?
by Francis E Reyes 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hi all I ran xtriage on my dataset to 4.5.here's the relevant section pertaining to anomalous signal Analyses of anomalous differences Table of measurability as a function of resolution The measurability is defined as the fraction of Bijvoet related intensity differences for which |delta_I|/sigma_delta_I > 3.0 min[I(+)/sigma_I(+), I(-)/sigma_I(-)] > 3.0 holds. The measurability provides an intuitive feeling of the quality of the data, as it is related to the number of reliable Bijvoet differences. When the data are processed properly and the standard deviations have been estimated accurately, values larger than 0.05 are encouraging. Note that this analyses relies on the correctness of the estimated standard deviations of the intensities. unused: - 90.6596 [ 0/1 ] bin 1: 90.6596 - 9.2614 [1371/1382] 0.0375 bin 2: 9.2614 - 7.3520 [1369/1376] 0.0033 bin 3: 7.3520 - 6.4230 [1380/1388] 0.0000 bin 4: 6.4230 - 5.8358 [1353/1359] 0.0016 bin 5: 5.8358 - 5.4176 [1367/1371] 0.0000 bin 6: 5.4176 - 5.0982 [1361/1369] 0.0000 bin 7: 5.0982 - 4.8429 [1378/1382] 0.0000 bin 8: 4.8429 - 4.6321 [1351/1359] 0.0000 bin 9: 4.6321 - 4.4538 [1383/1389] 0.0000 bin 10: 4.4538 - 4.3001 [1390/1393] 0.0000 unused: 4.3001 - [ 0/0 ] The full resolution range seems to contain a useful ammount of anomalous signal. Depending on your specific substructure, you could use all the data available for the location of the heavy atoms, or cut the resolution to speed up the search. If values larger than 0.05 are encouraging why is it telling me that the entire resolution contains a useful amount of anomalous signal? Did I process this incorrectly? Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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General User Proposal Deadline for PX/SAXS at the ALS: August 15, 2009
by Peter Zwart 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Dear All, August 15, 2009 is the deadline for the October - December 2009 Rapid Access Proposal cycle. (!!!!Please note that the ALS will be shut down in September, 2009.!!!!) Remote data collection is available on all beamlines at the Berkeley Center for Structural Biology (BCSB). The NX remote desktop technology provides the remote user with the full complement of sample visualization, sample manipulation, beamline control, data acquisition and data analysis tools exactly as they would see them if they were stationed at the beamline. This enhanced remote operation capability is coupled with 24hr onsite support by BCSB staff who are able to assist immediately with loading additional samples for remote users or troubleshoot any issues that might arise. Beamlines 8.2.1 and 8.2.2: Both beamlines are now fully remote capable, which means that users are able control sample mounting, data collection and analysis from their home labs. This has dramatically increased the efficiency of data collection and significantly reduced the cost of protein crystallography experiments, since users no longer have to travel to the synchrotron. To facilitate studies on small crystals, a microdiffractometer was installed in the beamline 8.2.1 endstation. The new equipment allows precise sample positioning to within 2 microns, excellent sample viewing of very small crystals, and an off-axis crystal positioning stage. As part of the beamline optics upgrades, a new toroidal focusing mirror was purchased and installed in beamline 8.2.1; new parabolic mirrors are currently being polished. When completed, the new optics will increase the brightness of beamline 8.2.1 by a factor of 4 to 5 and decrease the spot size to 30 microns, greatly facilitating structure solution on large macromolecular complexes. Beamlines 5.0.1, 5.0.2, 5.0.3: On Sector 5, improvements to the existing Berkeley Automounter sample handling system have dramatically improved both total capacity and reliability. Upgrades to the 5.0.1 and 5.0.3 monochromators have been completed. The operational energy of both beamlines has been increased, taking them above the Se K-edge and thus introducing a significant new Se SAD capability for experiments on Se derivatized proteins. The new monochromators also provide significantly better beam focus and performance under the increased power loads of ALS topoff operation. These improvements have been coupled with the introduction of enhanced positional feedback, diagnostic tools, and auto-alignment systems for the beamline components to improve the overall stability and quality of the beam delivered to users. Another mode of access to the BCSB beamlines is through the Collaborative Crystallography (CC) Program. Users apply for beamtime via the general user program, and collaborate with an expert crystallographer who will conduct the experiments and data reduction on behalf of the researchers. Depending on the users, structure solution, model building and refinement can be carried out as well. Please visit http://bcsb.lbl.gov/ for more details about the Center and its beamlines. To find out more, click on: http://www.als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/independinvest.html Scroll down to "Structural Biology/Small Angle X-Ray Scattering (SAXS)." We invite you to submit a proposal at: http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/4DCGI/WEB_GetForm/PXProposalEntry.shtml/Initialize If you'd like to apply for January-February 2010 beamtime at the Advanced Light Source, please submit a General User proposal by November 15, 2009. If you have any questions or would like to request open beamtime, please e-mail BCSBBeamtime(a)lbl.gov. Please note that executed user agreements must be received by LBNL prior to beamtime. Proprietary fees, if applicable, must be received by LBNL at least five working days prior to scheduled beamtime. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- P.H. Zwart Beamline Scientist Berkeley Center for Structural Biology Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA Cell: 510 289 9246 BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net -----------------------------------------------------------------

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