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changing TLS groups mid refinement
by Scott Classen 19 May '10

19 May '10

Hello Phenixers, Are there any considerations to changing TLS groups mid refinement? Can I rest assured that after a few rounds of refinement with the new TLS definitions everything will sort itself out or should I do something drastic, like remove all the ANISOU records, reset B factors to some constant value, and start over? Thanks, Scott

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phenix distorts ligand
by Mustafa Koksal 18 May '10

18 May '10

Hi, I have a problem in phenix refinement at 2.25 A resolution, data is 80% complete. I have protein, water, and ions in the .PDB file, and a ligand molecule that is distorted during refinement. I generated the pdb (with H atoms) with ChemDraw3D, edited the atom names etc. I used phenix.elbow to generate the .CIF file. Here is the first problem: Ligand has trans double bonds, which are written out by phenix.elbow as single rotatable bonds although I had correct connect records and H atoms in the .PDB file. I ran phenix.refine, it distorted the ligand, making double bonds not planar and nearly cis. Here is what I have tried: I edited the .CIF file to change these torsion agles to be CONSTANT and 180 or 0 deg. Here is the second problem: phenix.refine still distorted the ligand. Here is what I have tried: I used optimize_wxc/wxu in phenix.refine to optimize the weight, to see if I overweighed the data. Here is the third problem: phenix.refine still distorted the ligand. Is there a way to solve this problem? Is there a way to tighten the constraints for the ligand only? I still do not understand why it even cannot keep the double bonds planar (and trans). I do not want to move back to good old CNS... Thanks to all, Mustafa -- Mustafa Koksal Postdoctoral Fellow University of Pennsylvania Department of Chemistry Roy and Diana Vagelos Laboratories Office: 2090 IAST Office Phone: (215) 898-2227 Mobile Phone: (267) 319-6443 Mail Address: 231 S. 34th St, Philadelphia 19104, USA -- "If you grant me a pen, I shall destroy swords and spears" Mawlana Jalal-ad-Din Rumi --

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geometry_restraints between sym mates?
by Scott Classen 18 May '10

18 May '10

Hi all, Is this possible? # on working model bond { atom_selection_1 = "name SM and chain M and resname SM and resseq 1" atom_selection_2 = "name OE1 and chain A and resname GLU and resseq 313" distance_ideal = 2.5 sigma = 0.2 } # on SYM mol bond { atom_selection_1 = "name SM and chain M and resname SM and resseq 1" atom_selection_2 = "name OE1 and chain A and resname GLU and resseq 285" distance_ideal = 2.5 sigma = 0.2 } I'll find out in a few minutes when I run it through phenix.refine, but I thought to ask anyways. Thanks, Scott

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Looking at omit maps in coot
by xaravich ivan 17 May '10

17 May '10

Hi, Again this is pretty novice and I would apologize in advance. I ran Simulated annealing omit map in PHENIX and it gave me a bunch of files. I started with a partially built model ( I would say most of it was built) and it gave me an edited pdb that I can open in coot but I the composite omit mtz file is not opening in coot. In fact I cannot open any mtz file from the phenix output /OMIT directory and cannot see any map. I am pretty clueless. Thanks, Ivan

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An easier explanation of the regions in omit map
by xaravich ivan 17 May '10

17 May '10

Hi Nat, So I have quite a few regions build by the SA_omit map of phenix. But How do I go about looking at these maps. What am I looking for here. Should I look at the regions where the occupancy was set zero in all these outputs and find if I could build some thing from one of the maps? I guess I am asking, How do I use this information to move forward in refinement? There are 24 regions map and .pdb output in the /OMIT directory. Thanks, Ivan On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Nathaniel Echols <nechols(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:40 PM, xaravich ivan <xaravich.ivan(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Again this is pretty novice and I would apologize in advance. >> I ran Simulated annealing omit map in PHENIX and it gave me a bunch of >> files. I started with a partially built model ( I would say most of it was >> built) and it gave me an edited pdb that I can open in coot but I the >> composite omit mtz file is not opening in coot. In fact I cannot open any >> mtz file from the phenix output /OMIT directory and cannot see any map. >> I am pretty clueless. >> > > Some clarification: > > 1. Which version of Phenix, and which platform? > 2. GUI or command-line? > 3. If you're really making a composite omit map (as opposed to a simple > omit map, e.g. for a ligand), ignore the PDB file output by AutoBuild and > stick to the original. > > One common problem is that on Mac, if you try to open the MTZ file in Coot > (using the "Open MTZ", not auto-open), it will open a window to choose > column labels in the file, but it opens *behind* the main window, which you > need to move to the side temporarily. > > -Nat > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > >

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Building DNA
by Rajagopalan, Senapathy 15 May '10

15 May '10

Dear Phenix developers, I am solving a protein-dna complex and Autobuild is able to build both the protein as well as DNA chain (one at a time). However, when I try to do the refinement, I get an error saying "Phenix could not find the geometry restraints in the standard monomer library for one or more residues in the pdb file... DG: 6 copies, DA: 3 copies, DT: 43 copies". It seems like Autobuid uses the nomenclature DA, DC, DG and DT for the DNA bases while Phenix.Refine either doesn't like the nomenclature or the restraint files uses a different one. It still however lets me do the refinement...although I don't know if it just ignores the DNA part. Can someone enlighten me on this. Also, the nomenclature Coot seems to like is Ad, Cd, Gd, Td for the DNA and doesn't like the above phenix style. In order to manipulate in coot, I had to rename all the bases...is it possible to have a format that is compatible both in Phenix and Coot or am I missing something obvious here. Thanks and Have a great weekend! Sena Methodist. Leading Medicine. Recognized by U.S.News & World Report as an "Honor Roll" hospital Named to FORTUNE magazine's "100 Best Companies to Work For" list five years in a row Designated as a Magnet hospital for excellence in nursing Visit us at methodisthealth.com Follow us at twitter.com/MethodistHosp and www.facebook.com/methodisthospital ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*** This e-mail is the property of The Methodist Hospital and/or its relevant affiliates and may contain restricted and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender and delete all copies of the message. Thank you.

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Improved refinement method for low resolution data
by Florian Nachon 14 May '10

14 May '10

Hi all, Axel Brunger just published a paper in Nature (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v464/n7292/abs/nature08892.html) about a new method to improve models despite low-resolution data. It is implemented in CNS 1.3. It might be a bit early, but is there any plan to implement that method in phenix? Florian.

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where do phenix.metal_coordination ideal bond lengths come from?
by Scott Classen 14 May '10

14 May '10

Hello, I have a structure with several water/carboxylate-coordinated metal ions and I am using phenix.metal_coordination to generate the restraints parameter file for phenix.refine. Can someone please tell me where phenix.metal_coordination is getting the ideal bond length/angle values from. Thanks, Scott Classen

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Gordon Conference on Diffraction Methods
by A Leslie 14 May '10

14 May '10

Just a reminder that there is still time to register for the Gordon Conference on Diffraction Methods in Structural Biology, that will be held at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine from 18-23rd July. The program (see below) covers all aspects of macromolecular crystallography, from crystallization to structure solution and refinement, and includes sessions on complementary techniques and the potential of free electron lasers. Many of the leading methods developers will be present and the format of the meeting, with free afternoons, provides ample opportunities for informal discussions. Further details, including a full program and details on the application procedure can be obtained from: http://www.grc.org/programs.aspx?year=2010&program=diffrac We hope to see you there ! Andrew Leslie (Chair) & Ana Gonzalez (Vice Chair) Outline Program: Sunday pm: Macromolecular Structures, Pushing the boundaries Discussion leader: Michael Rossmann 1. ABC Transporters: Doug Rees 2. The Spliceosome : Kyoshi Nagai Monday am: Crystallisation and the diffraction experiment Discussion leader: Zbyszek Dauter 1. Nanolitre crystallisation: Seth Harris 2. Twinning and disorder: Todd Yeates 3. Simulating the diffraction experiment: James Holton 4. Microcrystallography: Gwyndaf Evans Monday pm: Radiation damage and data collection strategies Discussion leader: Vivian Stojanoff 1. Radiation damage, experimental: Elspeth Garman 2. Microbeams: Yanhui Zou 3. Testing data collection strategies with the Pilatus: Marcus Mueller Tues am: Synchrotron developments and automated data processing Discussion leader: Thomas Schneider 1. Synchrotrons, latest developments: Sean Mc Sweeney 2. Synchrotrons, latest developments: Janet Smith 3. Data processing with Xia2/CHEF: Graeme Winter 4. Data processing with AUTOPROC: Clemens Vonrhein Tues pm: Complementary techniques Discussion leader: Ana Gonzales 1. Electron tomography: Sriram Subramaniam 2. SAXS: Hiro Tsuruta 3. Spectroscopy: Carrie Wilmot Weds am: Structure solution and refinement Discussion leader: Paul Adams 1. SAD Phasing: Randy Read 2. Molecular replacement with BALBES: Garib Murshudov 3. PHENIX: Tom Terwilliger 4. TLS: Ethan Merritt Weds pm: Challenging problems/Membrane Proteins Discussion leader: TBC 1. Using cubic lipidic phase: Martin Caffrey 2. Membrane Proteins: Stephen White 3. The Bacterial Ribosome: Venki Ramakrishnan Thurs am: Selected Posters and Map improvement and Model building Discussion leader: Tassos Perrakis 1. COOT: Paul Emsley 2. Modelling nucleic acids: Johan Hattne Thursday pm: Future Methods, FELs, Diffraction imaging Discussion leader: Ed Lattman 1. Anton Barty 2. Serial Crystallography: John Spence and Petra Fromme

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question about free energy calculation in protein complex
by crystallogrphy 14 May '10

14 May '10

Hi, I am trying to calculate the free energy of association for structure of a protein complexes based on the salt bridges, H-bonds and van der waals interaction? Does any one know how to do it? Thanks!

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phenix.model_vs_data
by Young-Jin Cho 14 May '10

14 May '10

Dear Phenix users, This might be trivial questions though... 1. When you did phenix.model_vs_data, I see the discrepancy between R/Rfree. 'After applying resolution and sigma cutoffs' seems more accurate one though, could someone explain why it has such-even small though- discrepancy? 2. Also, when you do phenix.polygon, I used to seeing many branches from old version. With my current version(phenix-1.6.1-343), I normally see only 5 branches. Is there any reasons for that? Thanks in advance as always. Young-Jin

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Refinement with partial model - question
by Peter Grey 14 May '10

14 May '10

Dear Phenix Users, I have a partial model at low resolution. Is there a way let Phenix.refine know the model is not complete and that when a mask is calculated for bulk solvent correction it should take this fact into consideration ? Alternatively, can I use a solvent mask from density modification program in Phenix.refine somehow ? Alternatively, is there a program that will build dummy atoms (zero occupancy) automatically in a map in all peaks above a certain sigma (i.e. atoms just for mask calculation). Thank you in advance, Peter.

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Can simulated annealing remove model bias after MR?
by Francis E Reyes 14 May '10

14 May '10

Just curious.... Thanks F --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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B factors of zero after refinement
by Kyle Dolan 14 May '10

14 May '10

Hello all, I have been performing standard refinement of atomic coordinates and B factors (ADP) in phenix.refine using NCS and bulk solvent correction without anisotropic scaling. The program has been returning a handful of atoms with B factors of zero after refinement, and I'm not sure why. I tried using adp.set_b_iso to reset all B factors before refinement but some still come back down to zero. Has anyone else noticed something similar, or has a suggestion on what to do? Thanks, Kyle Kyle T. Dolan Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology The University of Chicago ktd(a)uchicago.edu

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Phenix Ligand Identification error
by Rajan 13 May '10

13 May '10

Dear All Greetings I was searching for a ligand present in the active site of my protein using Ligand Search in "PHENIX" but i stuck in between with an error : A Python error was detected. This may be a problem with the program settings, an error in your data, or a bug; click "OK" to send a bug report to the PHENIX developers. AttributeError : ligand_identification instance has no attribute 'connections' Traceback: File "/home/programs/linux/phenix- 1.6.1-357/cctbx_project/libtbx/thread_utils.py", line 137, in run return_value = self._target(self._args, self._kwargs, self._c) File "/home/programs/linux/phenix-1.6.1-357/cctbx_project/libtbx/runtime_utils.py", line 55, in __call__ result = self.target() File "/home/programs/linux/phenix-1.6.1-357/phenix/phenix/command_line/ligand_identification.py", line 1769, in __call__ identify_ligands = ligand_identification(args=list(self.args), quiet=False) File "/home/programs/linux/phenix-1.6.1-357/phenix/phenix/command_line/ligand_identification.py", line 308, in __init__ ligand_identification.Run(self, params) File "/home/programs/linux/phenix-1.6.1-357/phenix/phenix/command_line/ligand_identification.py", line 1454, in Run return self.connections['STOP '] I am not able to identify the problem? Please let me know if some one can identify the problem, i don't know whether it is a bug or problem in my files. Thanks for your suggestions in advance. Rajan -- ************************************************ Current Address: Rajan Vyas Research Scholar Deptt. of Biotechnology Panjab University Chandigarh, India 160014 Mob. +919417374197 Fax: +91-172-2625254 ************************************************

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Re: [phenixbb] General user proposal deadline May 15, 2010
by Peter Zwart 13 May '10

13 May '10

Dear All, Just a reminder that May 15, 2010 is the deadline for the July-August 2010 Rapid Access Proposal cycle for PX beamtime at the ALS. The BCSB beamlines (5.0.1,5.0.2, 5.0.3, 8.2.1 & 8.2.2) can all be operated remotely and are all equipped with ADSC Q315(R) detectors. Beamlines 8.2.2, 8.2.1 and 5.0.2 are tuneable stations whereas 5.0.1 and 5.0.3 are fixed-wavelength beamlines. Control software for the beamlines features an interface allowing ultra high-throughput screening, automated annotation of diffraction quality and on the fly indexing and collection strategy feedback. The automounters in use on sector 5 support the unipuck and the ALS puck (both commercially available at http://www.crystalpositioningsystems.com). Beamlines 8.2.1 and 8.2.2. support in addition to the uni- and ALS puck the Rigaku system (http://www.rigaku.com/) To submit a proposal, please go to the ALS website link listed below: http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/4DCGI/WEB_GetForm/PXProposalEntry.shtml/Initialize Thank you, Stacey Ortega 510-495-2450

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suggested change to OS X GUI ?
by Mark Saper 12 May '10

12 May '10

Dear Nate, Not a major problem, but would you consider changing the keyboard shortcut for "View all settings..." from command-A to option-command-A? I keep typing command-A to select all which is the usual binding for this key. Thanks, Mark

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May 15, 2010 deadline- User proposal submission for Collaborative Crystallography at BCSB
by Banumathi Sankaran 11 May '10

11 May '10

Dear Users, The deadline for May/June 2010 Collaborative Crystallography proposals will be *May 15, 2010. * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Through the Collaborative Crystallography Program (CC) at the Advanced Light Source (ALS), scientists can send protein crystals to Berkeley Center for Structural Biology (BCSB) staff researchers for data collection and analysis. The CC Program can provide a number of benefits to researchers: * Obtain high quality data and analysis through collaborating with expert beamline researchers; * Rapid turn around on projects; and * Reduced travel costs. To apply, please submit a proposal through the ALS General User proposal review process for beamtime allocation. Proposals are reviewed and ranked by the Proposal Study Panel, and beamtime is allocated accordingly. BCSB staff schedule the CC projects on Beamlines 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 to fit into the available resources. Only non-proprietary projects will be accepted. As a condition of participation, BCSB staff researchers who participate in data collection and/or analysis must be appropriately acknowledged - typically being included as authors on publications and in PDB depositions. Please consult the website for additional information at: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Collaborative_Crystallography ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How To Apply: To learn more, go to: http://www.als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/becomealsuser.html To submit a proposal, go to: http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/. Scroll down to "*Structural Biology beamlines (includes protein SAXS)*" and click on "New Proposal." Enter your proposal information, with attention to the following details: * For question 3/First choice, select "5.0.1 (Monochromatic);" for question 3/Second choice, select "5.0.2 (MAD)." * Check box (yes) in response to question (7) "Do you want collaborative crystallography (beamline 5.0.1 or 5.0.2 only) * In question 4, please describe a specific research project with a clear end point. In order to request CC time for July/August 2010 allocation period, proposals must be submitted by *May 15, 2010.* The deadline for CC proposals for the time period Sep/October 2010 will be July 15, 2010. Regards, Banumathi Sankaran

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mac os x installation binary files
by xaravich ivan 07 May '10

07 May '10

Hi Phenix users, I am trying to install phenix in my Mac OS X and after getting the .tar file and running install i get this message (screen shot attached) Could anyone help the newbie? Thanks, Ivan

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Rigid body refinement question
by Simon Kolstoe 07 May '10

07 May '10

Dear phenixbb, What do I need to change in my .def file if I want to refine chain A-E of a structure as per the defaults but specify a single chain (in my case chain L) for just rigid refinement in all cycles? I had a look at the manual page (http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/refinement.htm ) but didn't find it too clear. Thanks, Simon --------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Simon Kolstoe Laboratory for Protein Crystallography Centre for Amyloidosis & Acute Phase Proteins UCL Medical School Rowland Hill Street, London NW3 2PF Tel: 020 7433 2765 http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~rmhasek --------------------------------------------------------------

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weight non-bonded contacts during rigid body refinement
by Kenneth Verstraete 06 May '10

06 May '10

Dear all, I wonder how I can set the weight for non-bonded contacts to zero to prevent clashes during rigid body refinement. Thank you for your comments. Kenneth Verstraete

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phenix-dev-386 Sorry: Sorry, unknown file or keyword: refinement_eff_file=refinement.eff for AutoBuild
by Francis E Reyes 06 May '10

06 May '10

Was this keyword removed/renamed for the command line version of AutoBuild? http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/autobuild.htm says I should be able to specify refine_eff_file. Thanks F --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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sugar behaving sourly
by Patrick Loll 06 May '10

06 May '10

Hi, I'm refining a structure with an unusual monosaccharide. I generated a library for this sugar from PRODRG, and it looks OK, at least to my eye. Certainly the obvious parameters like bond angle restraints seem normal. However, when I refine with phenix, the sugar's C6 methyl group gets pushed out of density and assumes a very unnatural angle. Now, it turns out that there are two copies of this molecule in the AU, and the other copy looks fine after refinement. Moreover, I can load my library into Coot, and when I use it to refine the sugar's position or regularize its geometry, it works just fine; and when I run phenix.pdbtools --geometry_regularization and supply my library, the resulting structure has nice geometry. These three observations lead me to believe that there's nothing inherently wrong with my library. There are no steric clashes that would tend to push this methyl group out of whack (but just to be sure, I removed all nearby atoms and repeated the refinement, with the same result). I should mention that this refinement is at ca. 1.8 Å, and the density for the sugar looks quite nice. Any suggestions? Cheers, Pat Loll --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick J. Loll, Ph. D. Professor of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Director, Biochemistry Graduate Program Drexel University College of Medicine Room 10-102 New College Building 245 N. 15th St., Mailstop 497 Philadelphia, PA 19102-1192 USA (215) 762-7706 pat.loll(a)drexelmed.edu

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Input NCS operators for AutoBuild
by Mark A Saper 05 May '10

05 May '10

This questions may be best answered by Tom. Does anyone know how to generate a custom NCS definition file that AutoBuild will read from the refinement format? The parameter is input_ncs_file = I used phenix.simple_ncs_from_pdb to generate 3 ncs format files. But I could not figure out how to make the program use my definitions. In any case simple_ncs_from_pdb outputs 3 formats in ./phenix/tmp: simple_ncs_from_pdb.ncs simple_ncs_from_pdb.ncs_spec simple_ncs_from_pdb.resolve I tried the last one, but it has no residue or chain specification. Should I use the .ncs_spec? The first one is for phenix.refine. Thanks, Mark _________________________________ Mark A. Saper, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Biological Chemistry University of Michigan Biophysics, 3040 Chemistry Building 930 N University Ave Ann Arbor MI 48109-1055 U.S.A. saper(a)umich.edu phone (734) 764-3353 fax (734) 764-3323 http://www.biochem.med.umich.edu/?q=saper http://www.strucbio.umich.edu/

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Re: [phenixbb] NCS problems using phenix GUI on a Mac
by Mark A Saper 05 May '10

05 May '10

John, I am having the exact same problem. I need the NCS parameters in a format suitable for AutoBuild which I think is different than phenix.refine. Are you trying to use phenix.simple_ncs_from_pdb routine in GUI? Let me know if you have made any progress. Thanks, Mark > Hello, > > I am having difficulties defining NCS parameters using the GUI > interface (Mac 10.4.11; phenix 1.6-289). > > Phenix will automatically select NCS restraint groups and use them > during refinement. But if I edit the automated selections to my > liking then click on Update and Save, the refinement runs with the > original parameters unedited. I have tried reading in a ncs.param > file, but it does not get read during the refinement run. Also, an > intermittent problem with this GUI is that I am not allowed to "Add" > a new restraint group. When I click this button, it just clears out > the selections on the last group, and does not add a new group. Any > ideas? > > Thanks. > > Best, > John > > -- > John Pascal, PhD ph 215.503.4596 > Assistant Professor fx 215.923.2117 > Thomas Jefferson University > Biochemistry & Molecular Biology > 233 South 10th Street, BLSB 804 > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107 _________________________________ Mark A. Saper, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Biological Chemistry University of Michigan Biophysics, 3040 Chemistry Building 930 N University Ave Ann Arbor MI 48109-1055 U.S.A. saper(a)umich.edu phone (734) 764-3353 fax (734) 764-3323 http://www.biochem.med.umich.edu/?q=saper http://www.strucbio.umich.edu/

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