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Simon Holton ist außer Haus.
by simon.holton＠bayerhealthcare.com 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Ich werde ab 23.09.2008 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am 24.09.2008. Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner Rückkehr beantworten.

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memory error
by Anastasia A Aksyuk 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hello everyone! I have the following error when using phenix-1.3-final: /========================== Target weights: x-ray data ========================= Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 89, in run File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1081, in run File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 472, in refinement_machine File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 264, in __init__ File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 307, in xyz_weights File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 196, in __init__ File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/__init__.py", line 72, in update_xray_structure force_update_f_mask = force_update_f_mask) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/f_model.py", line 675, in update_xray_structure force_update = force_update_f_mask) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 207, in f_mask return self.compute_f_mask() File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 222, in compute_f_mask miller_set = self.miller_array) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 138, in structure_factors flex.grid(fft_manager.m_real()).set_focus(fft_manager.n_real())) MemoryError /I am running with defaults, i.e. the following command: phenix.refine se.water2.noano_001-2acetate-noH-coot-0.pdb cr2remote.cr3.1.8-2_scaleit1.mtz ray_data.r_free_flags.test_flag_value=1 output.prefix=se.noano2.acetate refinement.input.xray_data.labels="F_peak(+),SIGF_peak(+),F_peak(-),SIGF_peak(-),merged" I would greatly appreciate your help to resolve this issue and I can provide any additional information needed. Thank you, Anastasia

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phenix 1.3-rc4 vs. phenix 1.3-final
by Jianghai Zhu 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

Hi, I have done a couple of refinements using either phenix.refine 1.3-rc4 or phenix.refine 1.3-final. And phenix.refine 1.3-rc4 always gave me a lower Rfree, about 1% lower than phenix.refine 1.3-final, which actually is pretty big. What has changed between this two versions? -- Jianghai

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Deborah Palestrant is out of the office.
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

I will be out of the office starting 09/16/2008 and will not return until 09/18/2008. I will be checking email and will respond to your message at my earliest convenience.

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Anomalous difference map file
by Andrzej Lyskowski 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Hi, Is it possible to write an anomalous difference map file and not just the coefficients in the mtz file? Would it be possible to get a short instructions for the operations... Regards, Andrzej Lyskwoski -- Andrzej LYSKOWSKI, Ph.D. (andrzej[.]lyskowski[(a)]helsinki[.]fi) Institute of Biotechnology - Structural Biology & Biophysics P. O. Box 65 - Viikinkaari 1 - Floor/Room: 4/4316 Mail: FIN-00014 University of HELSINKI, FINLAND Delivery: FIN-00710 University of HELSINKI, FINLAND TEL.: 358 9 191 58921 FAX : 358 9 191 59940

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phenix autobuild question
by Alex Berndt 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Dear phenix community, I started an AutoBuild run using the phenix GUI (ver 1.3 rc4) on a linux cluster. It worked okay and all the refinement looked pretty decent. However, after quite a while I obtained the following error message (see below). Would anyone please tell me what to do to prevent this error and get phenix get its job finished? Also, I don't understand why phenix AutoBuild creates 5 (or whatever number) AutoBuild_run_x in the AutoBuild-run_1/TEMP0 directory and not two dirs up in the tree. In other words in my /someplace/home/someuser/ work/someproject/phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0 directory are more AutoBuild_run_x_ directories (with x=1 to 5). It is a bit confusing to me. A final question: I realised that the phenix.refine drastically increases the number of outliers. I know that thare is a weighting term someplace ... but what was it again? Many thanks in advance, Alex warnings Failed to carry out AutoBuild_multiple_models: Sorry, subprocess failed...message is: ******************************************************************************** phenix.autobuild \ write_run_directory_to_file=/someplace/home/someuser/work/someproject/ phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0/INFO_FILE_1 Reading effective parameters from /someplace/home/someuser/work/ someproject/phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0/PARAMS_1.eff Sending output to AutoBuild_run_1_/AutoBuild_run_1_1.log ******************************************************************************** Failed to carry out AutoBuild_build_cycle: failure ******************************************************************************** ******************************************************************************** work_pdb_file "AutoBuild_run_1_/edited_pdb.pdb" working_directory "/someplace/home/someuser/work/someproject/phenix2" worst_percent_res_rebuild 2.0 --------------------------------------------------- Alex Berndt MRC-Laboratory of Molecular Biology Hills Road Cambridge, CB2 0QH U.K. phone: +44 (0)1223 402113 ---------------------------------------------------

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BEAM TIME AVAILABLE FOR MACROMOLECULAR CRYSTALOGRAPHY
by Cyndi Salbego 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

BEAM TIME AVAILABLE FOR MACROMOLECULAR CRYSTALLOGRAPHY AT THE TWO ID BEAMLINES OF NE-CAT AT APS. Beamline 24ID-C: Variable energy between 6-18keV, ADSC Q315 Detector, MAD Capable. Beamline 24ID-E: Equipped with MD2 microdiffractometer, delivering beam as small as 5 microns. Single energy (12662eV), ADSC Q315 Detector. Contact csalbego(a)anl.gov for further details. See http://necat.chem.cornell.edu for information on our beamlines and a calendar of available days.

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link in a double conformation residue
by mvliberato＠ursa.ifsc.usp.br 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Dear all, I'm refining a protein structure with a cysteine covalently bonded with a fatty acid. However, this cysteine has a double conformation. I try to make a link with "cif_link.params", but I don't know how to describe the double conformation. How can I make this link between the fatty acid oxigen and the sulfur of the cysteine in one of the conformations? Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks Marcelo Marcelo Vizoná Liberato, Ms Physics Institute of São Carlos - USP São Carlos, Brazil ---------------------------------------------------------------- WEBMAIL - IFSC - Instituto de FÃsica de SÃ£o Carlos

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Odd twinning issue (or maybe all twinning issues are odd by default)
by Francis E Reyes 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

All I had a structure that seemed perfectly twinned in P41 21 2, completely built to the observable density (no peaks in 2Fo-Fc map over 2sigma) and refined to 33/35 (R/Rfree). I indexed, scaled, and merged the original unmerged data to P41, molecular replaced using the above model. Three rounds of rigid body refinement of the MR solution with group adp's dropped R/Rfree to 28/30 (while generating new free R flags based on the P41 data). The resolution was to 2.5 so I skipped the NCS. Now I try to do a second round of refinement with this time individual_sites and individual_adps with no change to the input model. The final R/Rfree's are now in the 50's? Am I missing something (fundamental) ? Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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difficulties with autoMR
by Feldman III, George Franklin 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

I am trying to run phenix.automr on what I believe is perhaps a perfectly twinned data set, at 3A resolution. It is in space group 146 and according to the matthews has 3 molecules in the asu. This is a mutant of an orriginally published structure in which only one residue has been mutated (but crystallizes in a different space group). When I give the autoMR the following input: phenix.automr coords="MR.1.pdb" data=dtscale.ref resolution=0 component_type=protein identity="95" mass=13900 build=False copies=3 seq.dat I get an LLG of 37 and the run goes quite quickly. The speed of the run itself leads me to believe that I have a correct solution regardless of the slightly low LLG, but when I open the .pdb output file there is only one molecule in the asu. Am I doing something incorrectly? Why is there only one molecule instead of 3 in the asu, and how can I go about getting the other two to appear? I did let the program go ahead run autobuild, this resulted in a structure with an r_work:.5448 and r_free:.6005. I am relatively new to crystallography, but these values seem rather high to be a good starting point for refinement. I would appreciate any advice that might help me move on with my structure. Attached is the log file from phenix.xtriage in case it may be of any help. Thank you, in advance, for all of your help and advice. Best Regards, George F. Feldman

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Re: [phenixbb] cci_apps on irix
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

On 22 Aug 2008 o.h.weiergraeber(a)fz-juelich.de wrote: > I am just compiling the latest cci_apps package for the IRIX > platform. I know this is unsupported, but since the package is very > self-contained, I would not expect major problems with the command-line > packages (who needs a gui, anyway ;)) > I'm just running into two issues with the boost package which are > obviously a matter of syntax: Our IRIX machine is up again, and - to my surprise - the current CCI Apps compiled without errors. The IRIX binary bundle is available again at the usual place: http://www.phenix-online.org/download/cci_apps/ Ralf

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selection usage
by Mark Collins 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Hi All, The current phenix 1.3 release automatically selects alternate conformations when refine *occupancy is selected. How do I select a loop region (in low density) to refine the loop occupancy without messing up the auto selection? Thanks in advance, Mark

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Deborah Palestrant is out of the office.
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

I will be out of the office starting 09/04/2008 and will not return until 09/08/2008.

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Re: [phenixbb] sugar links
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi Morten, > Why isn't it included in the standard set btw? Sorry, too many bigger things to take care off right now. But Garib told me he'll move the monomer library to a Google source server, which should make it much more practical to collectively work on changes like the one you're requesting. Ralf

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Re: [phenixbb] Real Space R value
by Thomas C. Terwilliger 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi Matthew, You can also use phenix.get_cc_mtz_pdb with a ligand...it should treat the ligand as a single residue. Mark also asked offline about alternate conformations...here is my answer to that: If there is only on N for each residue, it will average over all atoms in all conformations. If there are multiple N atoms, and all atoms for each conformer are grouped, it will write out the residue twice. If there are multiple N atoms and they are interspersed, it will give an incorrect answer (it will write out the residue twice but the cc values will not be for the two conformers). All the best, Tom T > Hi, > Yes, you can use phenix.get_cc_mtz_pdb (see phenix.doc) > > But I wonder if there is a way to get CC value for a ligand or a metal > ion too ?? > > Nigel ??? > >> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:18:59 -0400 >> From: "nih\mayerm" <mayerm(a)mail.nih.gov> >> Subject: [phenixbb] Real Space R value >> To: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> Message-ID: <FEAAD2DC-1906-4194-881B-CA83B48E8043(a)mail.nih.gov> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> >> Is it possible to calculate a list of Real Space R values for >> structures refined with phenix.refine ? >> If so advice on how to do this would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks - Mark Mayer >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >

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Re: [phenixbb] Real Space R value
by mathieu Coincon 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi, Yes, you can use phenix.get_cc_mtz_pdb (see phenix.doc) But I wonder if there is a way to get CC value for a ligand or a metal ion too ?? Nigel ??? > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:18:59 -0400 > From: "nih\mayerm" <mayerm(a)mail.nih.gov> > Subject: [phenixbb] Real Space R value > To: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > Message-ID: <FEAAD2DC-1906-4194-881B-CA83B48E8043(a)mail.nih.gov> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > Is it possible to calculate a list of Real Space R values for > structures refined with phenix.refine ? > If so advice on how to do this would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks - Mark Mayer > >

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PX beamtime application deadline Sept 3rd!
by Peter Zwart 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Dear All, The deadline for user proposals for PX beamtime at the ALS has been extended to September 3, 5pm pacific time. See my previous email for details. Thanks Peter 2008/8/29 Peter Zwart <PHZwart(a)lbl.gov>: > Dear All, > > The deadline for general user proposals for PX beamtime at the ALS is > comming up soon! At the BCSB, we have 5 beamlines for which you can > apply for beamtime. At the Berkeley Center for Structural Biology > (BCSB) we have recently completed a number of upgrades: > > Sector 8: Recent improvements include: > > * A high-accuracy microdiffractometer on BL 8.2.1, allowing for > centering and viewing of very small crystals > * Robot automounters which can increase the screening throughput > at the beamlines, and will allow for the implementation of remote data > collection > * A new large format (315mm active surface area) CCD detector on > BL 8.2.1, facilitating data collection on large unit cell crystals > > Sector 5: Beamlines (5.0.1 and 5.0.3) now generate 1.5x10^11 photons > per second at 0.97 Angstrom. This wavelength is slightly above the Se > K edge making them ideal for performing Se SAD experiments. Beamline > 5.0.2 (the tunable beamline) generates a peak flux of 8x10^11 photons > per second, and the energy range of 5.0.2 has been extended to 17 keV, > enabling the routine use of shorter wavelengths and anomalously > scattering elements such as bromine. > > Please visit http://bcsb.lbl.gov/ for more details about the Center > and its beamlines. > > If you'd like to apply for Oct/Nov/Dec beamtime at the Advanced Light > Source, please submit a General User proposal by September 1, 2008. > > To find out more, click on: > > http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/independinvest.html > > We invite you to submit a proposal at: > > http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/4DCGI/WEB_GetForm/PXProposalEntry.shtml/Initialize. > > If you have any questions or would like to request open beamtime, > please e-mail BCSBBeamtime(a)lbl.gov. > > (Please note that executed user agreements must be received by LBNL > prior to beamtime. Proprietary fees, if applicable, must be received > by LBNL at least five working days prior to scheduled beamtime.) > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > P.H. Zwart > Beamline Scientist > Berkeley Center for Structural Biology > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories > 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA > Cell: 510 289 9246 > BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov > PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org > CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- P.H. Zwart Beamline Scientist Berkeley Center for Structural Biology Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA Cell: 510 289 9246 BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Real Space R value
by nihmayerm 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

Is it possible to calculate a list of Real Space R values for structures refined with phenix.refine ? If so advice on how to do this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks - Mark Mayer

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LABIN and BLUR like options in phenix refine?
by Partha Chakrabarti 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Hiya, If we use sharp for phasing, the eden_flat file has multiple columns at the end. I was wondering if it is possible to tell the program which ones to use other than having to use CAD.. and, if the FOM is suspected to be too high, Blur it.. Cheers, Partha -- MRC National Institute for Medical Research Division of Molecular Structure The Ridgeway, NW7 1AA, UK Email: pchakra(a)nimr.mrc.ac.uk Phone: + 44 208 816 2515

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PX beamtime application deadline Sept 1st!
by Peter Zwart 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

Dear All, The deadline for general user proposals for PX beamtime at the ALS is comming up soon! At the BCSB, we have 5 beamlines for which you can apply for beamtime. At the Berkeley Center for Structural Biology (BCSB) we have recently completed a number of upgrades: Sector 8: Recent improvements include: * A high-accuracy microdiffractometer on BL 8.2.1, allowing for centering and viewing of very small crystals * Robot automounters which can increase the screening throughput at the beamlines, and will allow for the implementation of remote data collection * A new large format (315mm active surface area) CCD detector on BL 8.2.1, facilitating data collection on large unit cell crystals Sector 5: Beamlines (5.0.1 and 5.0.3) now generate 1.5x10^11 photons per second at 0.97 Angstrom. This wavelength is slightly above the Se K edge making them ideal for performing Se SAD experiments. Beamline 5.0.2 (the tunable beamline) generates a peak flux of 8x10^11 photons per second, and the energy range of 5.0.2 has been extended to 17 keV, enabling the routine use of shorter wavelengths and anomalously scattering elements such as bromine. Please visit http://bcsb.lbl.gov/ for more details about the Center and its beamlines. If you'd like to apply for Oct/Nov/Dec beamtime at the Advanced Light Source, please submit a General User proposal by September 1, 2008. To find out more, click on: http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/independinvest.html We invite you to submit a proposal at: http://alsusweb.lbl.gov/4DCGI/WEB_GetForm/PXProposalEntry.shtml/Initialize. If you have any questions or would like to request open beamtime, please e-mail BCSBBeamtime(a)lbl.gov. (Please note that executed user agreements must be received by LBNL prior to beamtime. Proprietary fees, if applicable, must be received by LBNL at least five working days prior to scheduled beamtime.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- P.H. Zwart Beamline Scientist Berkeley Center for Structural Biology Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA Cell: 510 289 9246 BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net -----------------------------------------------------------------

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User proposal submission for Collaborative Crystallography at BCSB
by Banumathi Sankaran 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Dear Users, The Berkeley Center for Structural Biology (BCSB) is pleased to announce the launch of a Collaborative Crystallography Pilot Program (CC) at the Advanced Light Source in Berkeley. Through this program, scientists will be able to send protein crystals to BCSB staff researchers for data collection and analysis. The CC Pilot Program can provide an number of benefits to researchers: * Obtain high quality data and analysis through collaborating with expert beamline researchers; * Rapid turn around on projects; * Reduced travel costs. Thumbnail Description: ====================== The Collaborative Crystallography program will be piloted on beamlines 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 for one year; if successful it will be implemented on a permanent basis. CC proposals will go through the regular ALS General User proposal review process for beamtime allocation. Proposals will be reviewed and ranked by the Proposal Study Panel, and beamtime will be allocated accordingly. BCSB staff will schedule the projects to fit into the available resources. Only non-proprietary projects will be accepted. As a condition of participation, BCSB staff researchers who participate in data collection and/or analysis must be appropriately acknowledged - typically being included as authors on publications and in PDB depositions. Please consult the website for additional information at: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Collaborative_Crystallography ============= How To Apply: To submit a proposal, go to: http://www-als.lbl.gov/als/quickguide/independinvest.html Click on "protein crystallography" to begin proposal. For question 3 select "Collaborative PX 501/502." For question 9, please describe a specific research project with a clear end point. In order to request CC time for October/November/December 2008 allocation period, proposals must be submitted by Sept 1, 2008. The deadline for CC proposals for the time period January/February 2009 will be November 15, 2008. Regards, Banumathi Sankaran

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map calculation
by Chen Chen 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

Dear all, I am having a question about map calcultation. I want to calculate a 2mFo-DFc map and a mFo-DFc map to 2.0 angstrom from xxx.pdb and yyy.mtz, and zzz.cif should be supplied. Unit cell dimension and symmetry information is in the mtz file. It seems that phenix.maps can do the job, but I did not find a good document on how to run it. In its help information, a parameter file is needed. I tried do use parameter file for refinement, which has been successfully used for phenix.refine, and I ran the command phenix.maps --unused_ok yyy.mtz xxx.pdb refine.param but phenix.maps report the error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/chene/phenix-1.3b-rc6/mmtbx/mmtbx/command_line/maps.py", line 7, in <module> maps.run(args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/home/chene/phenix-1.3b-rc6/mmtbx/mmtbx/maps.py", line 173, in run log = log) File "/home/chene/phenix-1.3b-rc6/mmtbx/mmtbx/maps.py", line 214, in __init__ self.data = utils.determine_data( AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'determine_data' Does anyonw know what I should do to get the maps? Thanks Chen -- Chen Chen, Ph. D., Research Associate Center for Advanced Research in Biotechnology (CARB), University of Maryland Biotechnology Institute (UMBI), 9600 Gudelsky Drive, Rockville, MD 20850 Office Phone: 240-314-6122

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MTZ file
by YS. Chung 27 Aug '08

27 Aug '08

Hi all, I have a simple question about the output mtz file from phenix.refine. When I look at the mtz file, it says *********************************************************** DO NOT USE THIS FILE AS INPUT FOR REFINEMENT! Resolution and sigma cutoffs may have been applied to FOBS. *********************************************************** If I have not applied either resolution or sigma cutoffs to FOBS, does that mean that this mtz file is ok to be used for the next round of refinement? Thank you, Yu Seon Chung

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Dry shippers
by Peter Zwart 26 Aug '08

26 Aug '08

Dear all, Due to the presence of residual liquid nitrogen in dry shippers 'steaming' out of a tipped-over dewar on a Fedex dock, we (PX-ers in the ALS) have been placed under some scrutiny with regards to dry-shipping dewars. In particular, I am interested in how people empty their dewars/pucks/vials and prepare them for dry-shipment and how they and/or their shipping department checks if the dewars are empty indeed. Cheers Peter Zwart -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- P.H. Zwart Beamline Scientist Berkeley Center for Structural Biology Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA Cell: 510 289 9246 BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Refining with NCS
by Francis E Reyes 25 Aug '08

25 Aug '08

All I have 4 molecules in my ASU and I had phenix pick out my NCS operators automatically. Do a round of refinement, load 2fofc maps into coot and ask to calculate NCS Maps (Calculate -> NCS Maps). I have three new maps mapping a single chain onto the other chains (3) and an NCS average map. I look at some of the NCS maps and the question is should the model (all the chains) match to every NCS map? In my set of 3 maps, the model fits one map (independent of chain) but seems offset in the other two maps. Also if anyone has a paper/protocol for NCS refinement, I'd love to check it out (to figure out which map to fit to). Thanks! FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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