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statistics output by phenix.refine
by Jianghai Zhu 16 May '07

16 May '07

Hi, At the end of the log file output by phenix.refine, only R and Rfree are output. Is it possible to generate a statistical table which includes R, Rfree, FOM, LLG (total), LLG (free), rmsd (bond), rmsd (angle), ... for every refinement cycle? I want to monitor the progress of my refinement. Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Using Phenix to calculate Atom Maps
by James Fraser 14 May '07

14 May '07

Hello, Is there a way to use Phenix to calculate maps that are just representative of the model? This would be similar to the ATMMAP mode of SFALL or using model_fcalc.inp/model_phase.inp in CNS. Thanks, James

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Reflection output
by Rife, Christopher L 09 May '07

09 May '07

Hi, In trying to get a reflection file written out after refinement with phenix.refine (version 2007_03_13_2155), we found a couple of problems. 1. The documentation gives the example of including "export_final_f_model=mtz" in the command line input, however, phenix complains that it does not know this command. It is possible to work around this by changing "write_refined_fmodel_to_file" in the param file to true. 2. When the model is refined with twinning, trying to write out the reflection file causes it to crash with the following error: > Writing refined fmodel to plain text file: > /data5/Completed/PH10062D-47717/Phenix/model_001_fmodel.hkl > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/comman > d_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> > command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refine > ment/command_line.py", line 86, in run > if(output.write_refined_fmodel_to_file): > refine_object.write_refined_fmodel(f_hkl) > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refine > ment/driver.py", line 927, in write_refined_fmodel > self.fmodel.dump(out = f) > AttributeError: 'twin_model_manager' object has no attribute 'dump' We are trying to prepare files for deposition, so any assistance would be welcome. Thanks, Chris ----------------------------------------- Structure Determination Core Joint Center for Structural Genomics Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory

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Remodelling using Phenix
by Ethayathulla A.S 04 May '07

04 May '07

hi I am doing structure at 2.3A resolution. It is a dimer not NCS. I have probelm in tracing last 10 amino acids in the C-terminus in both chains. Both chains come close each other and winds up. So Iam finding difficulty in tracing the chain. I used phenix for rebuilding with all the amino acid included. But autorebuilding is not rebuilding properly, whatever input is given it rebuilds on that. Actually it should be a helix and only at lower cuff off we can observe density for main chain so I tried phenix rebuild to improve it but it's not working. Is there any option to use phenix. I used rebuilding with option automatic and input coordinates and sequence. plz suggest do improve the phases. -- A.S.Ethayathulla Department of BIophysics All India Institute of Medical Sciences Ansai Nagar New Delhi-110029 India

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Re: [phenixbb] PHENIX user mailing list <[email protected]>
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

Hi James, > Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 > "CD CD D 1 " > "CD CD D 2 " This problem should be fixed in the latest phenix development release (1.26 beta @ http://www.phenix-online.org/download/index.html) and the slightly more recent CCI Apps (link at same web page). Are you using phenix.refine from an older release? Could you please try the latest phenix or CCI Apps? Ralf

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Interpreting Cd atoms
by James Fraser 15 Apr '07

15 Apr '07

Hello, I'm trying to refine a structure with Cadmium bound. Is there a standard way to define "energy type symbols"? Thanks, James Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 "CD CD D 1 " "CD CD D 2 " "CD CD D 3 " "CD CD D 4 " "CD CD D 5 " "CD CD D 6 " "CD CD D 7 " "CD CD D 8 " "CD CD D 9 " "CD CD D 10 " ... (remaining 4 not shown) Time building chain proxies: 2.36, per 1000 atoms: 1.27 Sorry: Fatal problems interpreting PDB file: Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 Please edit the PDB file to resolve the problems and/or supply a CIF file with matching restraint definitions. Note that elbow.builder is available to create restraint definitions.

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Re: [phenixbb] Special positions
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hi Morton, > I have a symmetrical ligand, malonate -OOCCCOO-, that binds right on the > crystallographic axis of a C2 structure. Is the correct approach to set > the occupancy to 0.5 and then refine or is there a better way to handle is > in Phenix? The 0.5 trick currently doesn't work in phenix.refine since we don't provide a way to turn off nonbonded interactions between symmetry copies. However, we fully support handling of atoms on special positions and bonds involving symmetry operations. For this to work, you have to give only an asymmetric unit worth of atoms, i.e. in your case half of your molecule. Is the C in the middle exactly on the two-fold axis? If so, delete these atoms from the PDB file: -OOCCCOO- ^^^ Then use the custom bond and angle feature (for the angles you'll need the 2007_04_06 CCI Apps) to define the required bonds and angles, including the bonds to the protein. I hope it is straightforward. If not, could you send me the fragments from you pdb file with the malonate and the piece of protein it is linked to? Then I could work out the bond and angle definitions for you. Ralf

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Special positions
by morteng＠bioxray.dk 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hello everybody I have a symmetrical ligand, malonate -OOCCCOO-, that binds right on the crystallographic axis of a C2 structure. Is the correct approach to set the occupancy to 0.5 and then refine or is there a better way to handle is in Phenix? Best regards -- Morten K Grøftehauge PhD student Department of Molecular Biology Gustav Wieds Vej 10 C 8000 Aarhus C - Denmark Phone: +45 89 42 50 10 Fax: +45 86 12 31 78 www.bioxray.dk

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phenix.refine: How to define links and bond distances
by Matthew Bowler 03 Apr '07

03 Apr '07

Dear All, I have been trying to find the utility in elbow_builder to define bond distances and link distances with no luck, the .py file has bond order information for my ligand but nothing regarding distances etc, can anyone help? Thanks in advance, yours, Matt. Matthew Bowler MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 2XY Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825

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Re: [phenixbb] coordination of metal ions
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Hi Jesper, could you send me the fragments from your PDB file with the metal ion and the bound residues? I'll work this into an example for making the required cif definitions manually. Ralf

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coordination of metal ions
by Jesper Lykkegaard Karlsen 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Dear Phenix-devels Is it possible set up geometric restrains for metal ions bound to protein in phenix.refine? elbow.builder seems only to work on separate molecules and not on metal ions with its coordinating sidechains. I found the feature to introduce custom bond distance between two atoms, but what about custom angles? And by the way will this these custom setting ignore Van Der Waals radii? or is there a way to set these for special atoms? Thanks! Jesper

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riding hydrogen and mlhl
by Jianghai Zhu 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi All, I just found a refinement.hydrogens entry in the phenix.refine. Can we use phenix.refine to generate riding hydrogens to help the geometry in low- or mid-resolution refinement now? Using hydrogens in refmac5 really gives a better result than not using hydrogens. Another question. Is there a way to blur the experimental or density modified phases when using mlhl target? Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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NCS weighting
by Jianghai Zhu 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi, I am wondering how the NCS weighting in phenix.refine works. I guess the default values (coordinate_sigma = 0.05, b_factor_weight = 10) are pretty tight. What kind values would be appropriate for medium and loose NCS? Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] ls_wunit_k1
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

> All right. The target for my TLS is also LS. Is that intentional too? Pavel, who wrote the TLS code, is current offline. I don't know if Pavel ran systematic tests to determine the default target for TLS. A couple of months ago I ran systematic tests exercising rigid body refinement using both the LS and ML targets. Overall it turned out that ML is slightly better than LS. For an individual structure and a particular starting point it can be the other way around, but averaged over about 70 structures with 100 random starting points each ML generally outperforms LS. We should have updated the default accordingly, but it fell through the cracks. If you have the time to try out both ML and LS in the refinement of your structure, we'd be interested to know the results. Ralf P.S.: What's the version of phenix.refine you are using? -- I'm still puzzled why you didn't get the "automatic adjustment" messages.

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Re: [phenixbb] ls_wunit_k1
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

> You are right. Somehow, the default target function in > refinement.bulk_solvent_and_scale is LS, not ML. The default (phenix.refine --show-defaults=all) is actually ml. However, if the main target is set to ls the bulk_solvent_and_scale target is automatically reset to ls, too. There should be corresponding messages in the log file ("automatic adjustment"). Ralf

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ls_wunit_k1
by Jianghai Zhu 25 Mar '07

25 Mar '07

Hi, I happen to notice that the target function of "Bulk solvent correction and scaling" in a phenix.refine run is ls_wunit_k1. Does that mean LS function for bulk solvent correction and scaling is the default in phenix.refine? If I uncheck ls_wunit_k1 in refinement.ls_target_names in my parameter file, will phenix.refine use the ML function or something bad will happen? Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] The performance of phenix.refine
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

> Did anybody actually compare the performance among phenix.refine, CNS > and refmac5? I am trying the phenix.refine from the latest CCI > bundle for my refinement. I have a relative large structure (800 kD > unique) and unit cell (140, 160, 550, 90, 90, 90). The data is at > low resolution ( 3.8 A) with experimental phases. My impression is > that phenix.refine takes a much longer time to finish the jobs, say > rigid body refinement or SA refinement, and it also takes a lot more > memories ( in my case, phenix.refine uses more than 700 MB, but other > programs use less than 200 MB). We have been concentrating on features and a high level of automation much more than raw speed and memory efficiency. Given that memory is so cheap these days (ca. $80/GB) there isn't much incentive for us to trade developer time for a smaller memory footprint. Speed optimizations are a bit higher up on the list. > Is this because the python code in > phenix.refine? CNS and refmac5 are written in FROTRAN, I think. Just > curious. phenix.refine doesn't spend much time in the Python code. It is a long while ago I did careful timings, but I'd guess it is significantly less than 10% of the time. C++ is intrinsically almost as fast as FORTRAN if the same development time is invested in the code. I.e. what you see is not a language issue, just a tradeoff features vs. optimization. We'll work on making phenix.refine a bit faster in the future, but at the minute more features are still our focus. Ralf

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The performance of phenix.refine
by Jianghai Zhu 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

Hi, Did anybody actually compare the performance among phenix.refine, CNS and refmac5? I am trying the phenix.refine from the latest CCI bundle for my refinement. I have a relative large structure (800 kD unique) and unit cell (140, 160, 550, 90, 90, 90). The data is at low resolution ( 3.8 A) with experimental phases. My impression is that phenix.refine takes a much longer time to finish the jobs, say rigid body refinement or SA refinement, and it also takes a lot more memories ( in my case, phenix.refine uses more than 700 MB, but other programs use less than 200 MB). Is this because the python code in phenix.refine? CNS and refmac5 are written in FROTRAN, I think. Just curious. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] freeR syntax question in phenix.refine
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

> I was running refinement from an mtz file from sigmaa in ccp4 with an > appropriate FreeR flag designated in the MTZ file. phenix.refine > worked fine and seemed to exclude the test reflections, but I wanted > to know what these commands do. Don't! :-) > r_free_flags { > file_name = "S19_sigmaa1.mtz" > label = "FreeR_flag" > test_flag_value = 0 --> don't know what this means? > disable_suitability_test = False --> implications of this? phenix.refine is designed to figure everything out automatically. You will have to specify file_name and label only if you have multiple R-free-flag arrays in the reflection files you give to phenix.refine, which is very unusual. phenix.refine does some sanity checks to determine if arrays that "look like" R-free-flag arrays are actually suitable for refinement, and reject them if "it doesn't think so". It will then tell you that you can override the sanity checks by setting disable_suitability_test to True. Again, this is very unusual. The test_flag_value could potentially be important. phenix.refine analyses the putative R-free-flag array(s) to guess if they came from CNS, where 0 usually means work set, 1 free set, or CCP4, which mostly uses values from 0 to 19, 0 is the default free set in REFMAC. Therefore, roughly, if phenix.refine "thinks" it is a CNS R-free-flag array it assigns test_flag_value=1, or 0 if it "thinks" it is a CCP4 array. Only if you used REFMAC before for refinement, and only if you manually instructed REFMAC to use a value different from 0 for the free set, will you have to manually tell phenix.refine about it, e.g. via r_free_flags.test_flag_value=19. If you are interested in more details, inspect the script iotbx/iotbx/reflection_file_utils.py, which does all the guesswork. Look for "get_r_free_flags_scores".

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freeR syntax question in phenix.refine
by Simon Newstead 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Dear BB, Sorry for the obvious question, but I couldn't find a description of the syntax for the FreeR flag function in phenix.refine. Is there a paragraph on the phenix web site that explains what I should put in these fields: r_free_flags { file_name = "S19_sigmaa1.mtz" label = "FreeR_flag" test_flag_value = 0 --> don't know what this means? disable_suitability_test = False --> implications of this? I was running refinement from an mtz file from sigmaa in ccp4 with an appropriate FreeR flag designated in the MTZ file. phenix.refine worked fine and seemed to exclude the test reflections, but I wanted to know what these commands do. Cheers, Simon.

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Twinned Refinement
by Axelrod, Herbert 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has tested the new version of phenix.refine for the refinement of twinned diffraction data. Last week at Asilomar, Pavel presented a nice talk at Asilomar on the capabilities of phenix.refine to handle twinned data. Best wishes, Herbert L. Axelrod Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab

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phenix.refine crash
by Jianghai Zhu 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, I was using phenix.refine from the latest cci apps bundle to do tls +individual_sites+individual_adp refinement. The program crashed with the following error message. ----------Target weights (before refinement)---------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/command_line/ refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ command_line.py", line 75, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ driver.py", line 1108, in run log = log) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ strategies.py", line 245, in refinement_machine log = log) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ weight_xray_chem.py", line 222, in __init__ compute_gradients = True) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/restraints.py", line 144, in energies_adp_aniso xray_structure = xray_structure, File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/ __init__.py", line 109, in __init__ self.check_flags(fl_i) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/ __init__.py", line 177, in check_flags assert not fl.use_u_aniso() AssertionError Anyone has any idea what is happening? Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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More stringent water picking
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Hi, is it possible to increase the stringency criteria for picked waters, besides increasing the sigma level? E.G. something on the order of the H-bonding criterion found in CNS? I find that the automated water-picking routine gives me quite a few waters, which are not necessarily justified by visual inspection of the maps. Thanks Carsten

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Re: [phenixbb] More stringent water picking
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 19 Mar '07

19 Mar '07

Thanks Guys, would it be possible to implement the H-bonding criteria? From my experience with CNS it worked quite nicely. Right now I end up with ~350 waters in a 2.3 A structure of a 30kDa protein, which is a bit much. -----Original Message----- From: phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:02 PM To: PHENIX user mailing list Subject: Re: [phenixbb] More stringent water picking Hi Carsten, thanks for your question! The main water picking criteria in phenix.refine are: 1) Fo-Fc map; 2) 2Fo-Fc map; 3) macromolecule - water distance; 4) water-water distance; 5) B-factors and occupancies max/min values; plus some more of expert level ... There is no specific H-bonding criteria implemented. You can play with sigma cutoff for both maps and with the distances above. In most of the cases it the reasonable behavior. I would be interested in Paul's (Adams) comments about his experience of usefulness of H-bonding criteria in CNS. Thanks! Pavel. Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] wrote: Hi, is it possible to increase the stringency criteria for picked waters, besides increasing the sigma level? E.G. something on the order of the H-bonding criterion found in CNS? I find that the automated water-picking routine gives me quite a few waters, which are not necessarily justified by visual inspection of the maps. Thanks Carsten _____ _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org <mailto:[email protected]> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb <http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb>

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Re: [phenixbb] OS X installation problem
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

> powerpc-apple-darwin8-g++-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, > Inc. build 4061) There is a more recent Xcode release that works here. I.e. if you still want to compile from sources, upgrade the Xcode tools. You can get them for free at Apple's developer web site. However... > is that the 10.3.9 bundle? Yes, exactly. I should also work under 10.4. I recommend trying this first. It is also most faster than a source installation (just a few seconds). Ralf

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