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phenix.refine abort
by sujata halder 27 Aug '14

27 Aug '14

Hi, I am trying to refine a protein with 60 chains (a T=1 virus; 5-3-2 symmetry) and each chain has 520 amino acids. I am using version 1.9 (Release tag: 1692). The job stopped midway and gave the error below followed by "Cannot allocate memory". I have run a similar job (i.e using a similar sized protein) before on an older version (version 1.7) and that had worked. Looking at the error I can't really figure out if the problem is related to installation or a missing module or something different about the code. I can share my files off-list. Here is the error: ====================== XYZ individual (reciprocal space) ====================== R-FACTORS RMSD CLASH RAMA ROTA CBET WEIGHT TARGETS work free delta bonds angl data restr 28.80 29.29 0.49 0.016 1.6 11.9 0.8 7.4 60 none 0.093 160.8996 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/../../phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 11, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 163, in run call_back_handler=call_back_handler) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1577, in run reference_model_manager = self.reference_model_manager).result File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 183, in __init__ ion_placement_manager = ion_placement_manager) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 114, in __init__ self.call(self.xyzrec, "XYZ individual (reciprocal space)") File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 142, in call func(prefix = prefix) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 374, in xyzrec prefix = prefix) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 204, in __init__ call_back=(len(trial_weights)==1)) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 314, in try_weight result = self.show(weight=wt, print_stats=print_stats, call_back=call_back) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 365, in show molprobity_scores = self.main.use_molprobity) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/model.py", line 1341, in geometry_statistics molprobity_scores = molprobity_scores) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/model_statistics.py", line 99, in __init__ self.clashscore = clashscore(pdb_hierarchy=pdb_hierarchy).get_clashscore() File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 133, in __init__ verbose=verbose) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 257, in __init__ self.run_probe_clashscore(self.h_pdb_string) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 341, in run_probe_clashscore stdin_lines=pdb_string).raise_if_errors().stdout_lines File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/libtbx/easy_run.py", line 158, in __init__ close_fds=not subprocess.mswindows) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/base/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 709, in __init__ errread, errwrite) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/base/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 1222, in _execute_child self.pid = os.fork() OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Sujata

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Missing sanity check of duplicate resids within one chain?
by Schubert, Carsten [JRDUS] 27 Aug '14

27 Aug '14

Hi, this is a bit of an esoteric issue I just stumbled over, but I'd like to flag this up anyhow. For some reason (most likely boneheaded error on my side) I wound up with duplicate resids for two ion-atoms: TER HETATM 9325 CL CL S 1 10.578 23.153 35.662 1.00 75.71 Cl1- HETATM 9326 CL CL S 2 -6.546 32.210 31.507 1.00 80.31 Cl1- HETATM 9327 CL CL S 3 21.899 28.037 25.883 1.00 86.22 Cl1- HETATM 9328 K K S 3 7.259 -0.149 19.530 1.00 91.09 K1+ TER Phenix (1.9-1692) seemingly happily accepted the input and proceeded with refinement and validation. After upgrading my coot installation to the latest build the error was flagged. I think this sort of mistake should have at least been flagged in the validation stage or is this out of scope for phenix? Cheers, Carsten

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phenix.maps command line arguments
by Ryan McGreevy 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

When using phenix.maps from the command line, passing any arguments for the "map" layer of parameters does not seem to work. For example the command: phenix.maps input.pdb_file_name=input.pdb input.reflection_data.file_name=input.mtz works just fine, but parameters under the "map" section don't seem to have any effect, such as: map.file_name=map.ccp4 map.kicked=True Could I be doing something wrong, or does this not actually work? I know I can set these parameters in a maps.params file, but I would like to be able to pass them on the command line for scripting and automation purposes.

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following on the anomalous map
by CPMAS Chen 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

Hi, All Phenix users, I am following this topic. http://www.phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2014-April/020622.html. Here is the point I am not clear. If I am using phenix.refine to generate LLG map, how do I pick the anomalous group since I have not placed them in the model yet? By the way, when I choose ion_placement and specify Br, the result comes with no Br. Let me make my situation clear first. I want to find whether the Br-containing ligand is seen in my protein which I have a high resolution structure available. I have data collected at Br wavelength, peak or higher position. Phenix.xtriage reported that the anomalous signal is present to about 4A. However, both AutoSol or MR-SAD cannot identify the Br position. Simply say, AutoSol or MR-SAD can not generate any solution. Well, of course, the simple answer would be that there is no such ligand cocrystallized. Anyway, I am trying to see if the anomalous difference map or LLG(generated by phenix.maps, this would be the initial one I assume) can tell me anything more useful. So, my question on this topic would be what is a better way you guys would recommend to identify these Br-ligands? By the way, I did have the native datasets for the same protein with ligand. Thanks! Charles -- *************************************************** Charles Chen Research Associate University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Anesthesiology ******************************************************

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Header accuracy after only refining ligands
by Katherine Sippel 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

Hi all, I was trying to prep a structure for PDB deposition. All the protein atoms were good, but I needed to correct some ADP and ligand issues. I ran coordinate refinement only on the ligands and subsequent ADP refinement. Everything was good, except the RSMD values output are clearly only for the ligands. Now I am wondering which values in the header I can trust as far as deposition goes. I tried to do a workaround where I ran refine with 0 macrocycles to see if I could get the proper values, but obviously the bulk solvent is different and I get higher R values. I am wondering if I can run validation to get the correct RMSD values or if there are other header values that might have been affected by not refining all the coordinates? Cheers, Katherine -- "Nil illegitimo carborundum"* - *Didactylos

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DEN refinement
by marinabb phenix 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

Dear all, I am trying to use DEN refinement as implemented in the Phenix-1.9 release to refine a structure at 3.6 Angstrom resolution. The asu consists of 8 copies of hetero-dimers (of roughly 40 KDa sunbunits each). The structure of one of the subunits has already been solved at about 2 Angstrom, whereas for the other no homologous model is available. After automatic + manual building, I have now a model with Rfree = 28 / R = 23, with some protomers better built than others. I have used this pdb model as input for DEN refinement, adding the known higher-resolution structure as a (partial) reference model, and ncs restraints previously found (and run a DEN parameters optimisation). The final DEN Rfee got significantly worse. I would appreciate any advise for a better DEN strategy to be adopted in this case, if possible. In particular I was wondering whether it can be worth building a model for the missing subunit (or part of it) based on structural similarity of the current unrefined 3D structure. I thank you in advance for the suggestions. With kind regards, Marina ----- Marina Mapelli, PhD Department of Experimental Oncology European Institute of Oncology Via Adamello 16, 20139 Milan, Italy tel: +39-02-94375018 email: marina.mapelli(a)ieo.eu web: http://www.ifom-ieo-campus.it/research/mapelli.php -----

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overlapping electron density maps
by 李翔 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

Hi everyone, I am working on a series of crystals with overall same framework structure plus a different extra part which attaches to the framework. I want to compare the electron density maps of the crystals by overlapping the frameworks and see how the extra parts differ from each other. Is there a way I can do it? Thank you very much for your help! Sincerely, Xiang -- Li Xiang Department of chemistry, Purdue University Email：lixiang1642(a)gmail.com

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table_one
by Andreas Förster 24 Aug '14

24 Aug '14

Dear all, I encounter the following error when running phenix.table_one from the command line (RHEL 6.3 64-bit, phenix-dev-1769): andreas@csbstereo in blah: phenix.table_one Traceback (most recent call last): File "/csb/soft/Linux64/share/phenix-dev-1769/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/../../phenix/phenix/command_line/table_one.py", line 6, in <module> phenix.automation.table_one.run(sys.argv[1:], auto_extract_labels=True, AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'run' Aunt Google insists that this is "a circular import issue". What do the developers say? Thanks. Andreas -- Andreas Förster Crystallization and X-ray Facility Manager Centre for Structural Biology Imperial College London

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Low resolution refinement
by Appu kumar 24 Aug '14

24 Aug '14

Hello All, I have a data from a crystal which we can process to 4.5A, and we are able to get a good molecular replacement model and it is a tetramer in ASU. I tried refining structure with phenix.refine but Rfree stuck at 0.41. I read a paper published by David Baker and phenix developer in 2013 about the low resolution refinement using a combination of rosseta and phenix. I would appreciate if i get a help on the refinement in rosseta along with phenix. This paper convince me that its worth trying the rosseta and phenix together for low resolution structure refinement. Thank you Appu

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Re: [phenixbb] Phenix Webserver Down?
by Chen Zhao 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Thank you all for the info. It is been like this for me for a week, and it might just be some local issues. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Paul Adams <pdadams(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > > Appears to be okay from the Bay Area. > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Chen Zhao <c.zhao(a)YALE.EDU> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > I am sorry to bother you, but I have problems connecting to > www.phenix-online.org. Does anybody have similar problem? > > > > Thank you, > > Chen > > _______________________________________________ > > phenixbb mailing list > > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > > -- > Paul Adams > Deputy Division Director, Physical Biosciences Division, Lawrence Berkeley > Lab > Division Deputy for Biosciences, Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley > Lab > Adjunct Professor, Department of Bioengineering, U.C. Berkeley > Vice President for Technology, the Joint BioEnergy Institute > Laboratory Research Manager, ENIGMA Science Focus Area > > Building 64, Room 248 > Building 80, Room 247 > Building 978, Room 4126 > Tel: 1-510-486-4225, Fax: 1-510-486-5909 > http://cci.lbl.gov/paul > > Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory > 1 Cyclotron Road > BLDG 64R0121 > Berkeley, CA 94720, USA. > > Executive Assistant: Louise Benvenue [ LBenvenue(a)lbl.gov ][ 1-510-495-2506 > ] > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Phenix Webserver Down?
by Chen Zhao 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Dear all, I am sorry to bother you, but I have problems connecting to www.phenix-online.org. Does anybody have similar problem? Thank you, Chen

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mr_rosetta
by Felipe Trajtenberg 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Dear all I am trying to perform MR of a multidomain protein using phenix.mr_rosetta and building each domain sequentially. The first search works perfect and I have a potential solution. In the second search I am having some troubles in setting up the process. When I fixed the best first model and look for a second domain I found that rosetta only rebuilds the chain A, which was the one that already was fixed and chain B disappears. how can I fix one domain and build the second without loosing any information thanks in advance Felipe

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Stereo Microscope
by jens j birktoft 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hi: I would be grateful for suggestion regarding stereo microscopes suitable for protein/dna crystal viewing and manipulation. We would need a system that fulfull all of the criteria: 1) Two polarizers one for below the sample holder and one above 2) A fully rotatable stage 3) A camera option, either one that comes included with the unit (the best) or one with a universal camera mount Thanks Jens +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jens J. Birktoft Director of Crystallography Structural DNA Nanotechnology New York University e-mail: jens.knold(a)gmail.com; Phone: 212-749-5057 very slow-mail: 350 Central Park West, Suite 9F, New York, NY 10025 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Composite Omit Map with Parallel Processing
by Whitley, Matthew J 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Hello all, I am trying to calculate a simulated annealing composite omit map via parallel processing in Phenix 1.9-1692. Our computer cluster uses a PBS que, and jobs are submitted using the 'qsub' command. In the 'Processes' tab under Phenix Preferences, the queueing system is set to PBS, and the queue submit command is set to qsub + additional flags (walltime, etc). All the usual boxes are checked to indicate to Phenix that jobs should be run in parallel when possible. However, when I actually run the composite omit map calculation, the specified qsub flags do not get carried over into the calculation parameters. If I click on Settings-->View all settings in the Composite Omit map calculation window, the qsub_command parameter under 'parallel' is set to None. Because my desired walltime is not being carried over with the qsub command when the calculation starts, the calculation for each individual box is aborting prematurely when it reaches the default process time limit set by our cluster administrator. In the composite omit map calculation in previous versions of Phenix, when clicking "Run" you used to be able to then click "edit parameters and run" in order to check all settings one last time before starting the job. This option does not seem to be available in Phenix 1.9-1692, and thus I can't verify and/or edit the qsub command directly before firing off the job. Any ideas on how to overcome this? Am I missing something? Thanks, Matthew

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Error: "cannot allocate memory"
by sujata halder 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Hi, I am trying to refine a protein with 60 chains (a T=1 virus; 5-3-2 symmetry) and each chain has 520 amino acids. I am using version 1.9 (Release tag: 1692). The job stopped midway and gave the error below followed by "Cannot allocate memory". I have run a similar job (i.e using a similar sized protein) before on an older version (version 1.7) and that worked. Looking at the error I can't really figure out if the problem is related to installation or a missing module or something different about the code. I can share my input and output files off-list. Here is the error: ====================== XYZ individual (reciprocal space) ====================== R-FACTORS RMSD CLASH RAMA ROTA CBET WEIGHT TARGETS work free delta bonds angl data restr 28.80 29.29 0.49 0.016 1.6 11.9 0.8 7.4 60 none 0.093 160.8996 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/../../phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 11, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 163, in run call_back_handler=call_back_handler) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1577, in run reference_model_manager = self.reference_model_manager).result File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 183, in __init__ ion_placement_manager = ion_placement_manager) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 114, in __init__ self.call(self.xyzrec, "XYZ individual (reciprocal space)") File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 142, in call func(prefix = prefix) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/macro_cycle.py", line 374, in xyzrec prefix = prefix) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 204, in __init__ call_back=(len(trial_weights)==1)) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 314, in try_weight result = self.show(weight=wt, print_stats=print_stats, call_back=call_back) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/phenix/phenix/refinement/xyz_reciprocal_space.py", line 365, in show molprobity_scores = self.main.use_molprobity) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/model.py", line 1341, in geometry_statistics molprobity_scores = molprobity_scores) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/model_statistics.py", line 99, in __init__ self.clashscore = clashscore(pdb_hierarchy=pdb_hierarchy).get_clashscore() File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 133, in __init__ verbose=verbose) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 257, in __init__ self.run_probe_clashscore(self.h_pdb_string) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/mmtbx/validation/clashscore.py", line 341, in run_probe_clashscore stdin_lines=pdb_string).raise_if_errors().stdout_lines File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/cctbx_project/libtbx/easy_run.py", line 158, in __init__ close_fds=not subprocess.mswindows) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/base/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 709, in __init__ errread, errwrite) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/base/lib/python2.7/subprocess.py", line 1222, in _execute_child self.pid = os.fork() OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Sujata

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Phenix.refine with Ir
by Chen Zhao 15 Aug '14

15 Aug '14

Dear all, I am sorry for bothering you with this dumb question, but it occurs to me that phenix cannot refine a model with Ir, giving the error message of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols. Since this is my first time really working on the refinement, I have no clue of how to fix it. Would anybody give me a hint? Thanks a lot in advance! Sincerely, Chen

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maps for PDB without SF's
by PC 15 Aug '14

15 Aug '14

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van der Wall's radii
by Rituparna Sengupta 15 Aug '14

15 Aug '14

Hi! I'm new to the list. This might be a naive question to ask, but I'm looking for information about the set of van der Waal's radii popular with most protein crystallographers. Is there a certain list that phenix uses for building from the x-ray structures. If so, where can I find it. I shall be grateful for any thoughts or inputs on this. Thanks, Ritu Rituparna Sengupta Graduate Student Biophysics Graduate Program Record Lab Department of Biochemistry Biochemical Sciences Building University of Wisconsin-Madison

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Computational Crystallography Newsletter - Volume 5, Number 2
by Nigel Moriarty 13 Aug '14

13 Aug '14

I am pleased to announce the publication of the latest issue of the Computational Crystallography Newsletter: http://www.phenix-online.org/newsletter/ A listing of the articles and short communications is given below. Please note that the newsletter accepts articles of a general nature of interest to all crystallographers. Please send any articles to me at NWMoriarty(a)lbl.gov noting that there is a Word Template on the website to streamline production. Articles Details of the Conformation-Dependent Library <http://phenix-online.org/newsletter/CCN_2014_07.pdf#page=12> Short Communications Connectivity analysis tools in CCTBX <http://phenix-online.org/newsletter/CCN_2014_07.pdf#page=4> phenix.fab_elbow_angle: Fragment Antigen-Binding elbow angle calculation tool <http://phenix-online.org/newsletter/CCN_2014_07.pdf#page=8> Fitting tips #8 – Acetyl Groups are like Peptides: Planar and trans <http://phenix-online.org/newsletter/CCN_2014_07.pdf#page=2> Cheers Nigel -- Nigel W. Moriarty Building 64R0246B, Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Berkeley, CA 94720-8235 Phone : 510-486-5709 Email : NWMoriarty(a)LBL.gov Fax : 510-486-5909 Web : CCI.LBL.gov

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PSDI 2014, Registration and Abstract Info
by Anna Gardberg 13 Aug '14

13 Aug '14

*[image: Inline image 1]PROTEIN STRUCTURE DETERMINATION IN INDUSTRY 2014* The 22nd PSDI will take place at the Hotel Miragem in Cascais, Portugal, a coastal town located 30 kilometers west of Lisbon, Portugal. The meeting will start with registration and an opening reception on Sunday, 2nd November. This will be followed by two and a half days of scientific program starting Monday morning and finishing at noon on Wednesday, 5th November. A half day excursion to Lisbon is scheduled as a part of the meeting. The scientific program will include the following sessions: · Drug Discovery Stories · Challenging Targets · Biophysics Supporting Structural Biology · Binding Kinetics in Drug Discovery · Structural Biology of Biopharmaceuticals Registration for participants and exhibitors is open at the website: www.psdi2014.org *Please note the deadline for registration and payment: 31 Aug 2014* If you are interested in speaking in any of the scientific sessions, please contact the organizers at psdi2014(a)merckgroup.com with an abstract. Abstracts for “Binding Kinetics in Drug Discovery” are particularly encouraged. Additional information concerning the conference and further updates can be found at the PSDI2014 website <http://www.psdi2014.org/>. Vendor/Sponsor opportunities are available. If you have any questions, please contact the organizers at psdi2014(a)merckgroup.com. Please feel free to forward this announcement to anyone who may be interested in participating. We look forward to a great conference this fall. With kind regards, The PSDI 2014 organizing committee: · Tiago Bandeiras, IBET, Portugal · Anna Gardberg, EMD Serono, USA · Theresa Johnson, EMD Serono, USA · Beate Matlok, Merck KGaA, Germany · Djordje Musil, Merck KGaA, Germany psdi2014(a)merckgroup.com http://www.psdi2014.org

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random half data sets
by Michael Thompson 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

Hello All, I'm interested in doing some comparisons of random half data sets, inspired by statistics like CC1/2, CC*, etc. Does phenix contain some tool to split unmerged data into 2 random sets? Thought I would ask before trying to write my own script. Thanks, Mike -- Michael C. Thompson Postdoctoral Scholar Institute of Genomics and Proteomics University of California, Los Angeles miket(a)chem.ucla.edu

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Alternate sequence
by Mullins, Elwood A. 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

Hello all, I'm having trouble refining a protein-DNA complex in which one of the DNA strands has a mixture of two different nucleotides at one position. Both are non-standard and require CIF files. I tried assigning each nucleotide the same chain identifier and the same residue number but unique alternate location identifiers. This didn't work. Phenix refined the model but only linked one of the nucleotides with the rest of the chain, pushing the 3' OH and 5' phosphate out of the density for the other nucleotide. Coot won't even open the model output by Phenix. I assume there's some way to do this. Thanks in advance, Elwood Elwood A. Mullins, Ph.D. <> elwood.mullins(a)vanderbilt.edu<mailto:[email protected]> <> tel 615.936.5234 <> fax 615.343.6707

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Calculate F (model)
by PC 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

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Re: [phenixbb] pdb_redo
by Nathaniel Echols 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

> > From: "Lenin Domínguez" <acheron24(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [phenixbb] pdb_redo > I was wondering about PDB_REDO too. Your command line is priceless, Nat. > > I have one further question: Using phenix.fetch_pdb --maps shouldn't I be > able tro reproduce a figure from a paper showing the electron density of a > ligand? > Well, yes, usually. But: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23385452 The one caveat is that there are a few legitimate manipulations that could make the figure look slightly different from how it appears in e.g. Coot: 1. Use of a finer FFT grid (d_min/5 or smaller, versus d_min/4 or d_min/3 which are the defaults for Phenix and Coot respectively) 2. Maximum entropy treatment (removes Fourier artifacts, extends coefficients to high resolution without actually adding information) 3. Map sharpening (2) and (3) should really be explicitly mentioned, however. And I have yet to see a case where these would make the difference between a ligand being detectable or not by eye. (Maximum entropy can sometimes improve the performance of LigandFit but the density is still pretty obvious to a human.) The maps from PDB_REDO shouldn't be hugely different from the maps that come out of phenix.maps, so looking at those results would be another control. I have tried using phenix.fetch_pdb, PDB_REDO (conservative and aggresive > refinement) as well as the data straight from EDS. > > Any thoughts? > Send me the PDB ID (and ligand name) off-list and I'll take a look. -Nat

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Re: [phenixbb] pdb_redo
by Ed Pozharski 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

I believe the intent is to provide electron density maps at the end of pdb_redo re-refinement process. Recent versions of coot allow direct download of pdb_redo maps and there are also pymol plugins. You could ask Robbie Joosten directly whether your specific intended use of pdb_redo output is kosher. Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® III <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nathaniel Echols <nechols(a)lbl.gov> </div><div>Date:08/11/2014 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: PC <patrick.cossins(a)inbox.com> </div><div>Cc: PHENIX user mailing list <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [phenixbb] pdb_redo </div><div> </div>On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, PC <patrick.cossins(a)inbox.com> wrote: I was wondering what the community thought of the use of PDB_REDO for MTZ files? I see that they have easy to download MTZ files but has anyone actively used them? Unless we're looking at something different, these are output from Refmac, and do not include all of the data contained in the original deposition. I am not sure if the data will have undergone other changes as well. For instance, the deposited structure factors for PDB ID 2whz include both the fully processed anomalous differences (DANO) and the anomalous intensities (I+/I- and sigmas). The MTZ file I found on PDB_REDO has neither, just FP with Friedel mates merged. This throws out important information. Personally, I just do this: phenix.fetch_pdb --mtz 2whz or this: phenix.fetch_pdb --maps 2whz (Perhaps someday we'll have a server for this.) I should mention however that this will fail on a significant fraction of PDB entries that do not adhere to the CIF standard, at least as implemented in CCTBX. -Nat

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