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elbow.builder
by William Scott 04 Jun '07

04 Jun '07

Hi folks: I've been playing around a bit with elbow.builder, and found the following: -------------- elbow.builder --opt --smiles c1ccccc1 gives me a nice, flat, hexagonal benzene elbow.builder --gamess --smiles c1ccccc1 gives me a benzene that is slightly bent out of plane and has other small distortions with respect to 6-fold symmetry. Is this a problem with elbow, a problem with gamess, or a Jahn-Teller effect? ------------ Also, I noticed elbow.doc requires a mozilla or netscape executable. Since both of these are obsolete, maybe a firefox executable should be an option? On OS X, "open" should open a URL in the user's favorite browser, but it doesn't seem to work right with Safari (which stupidly opens a Finder window of the directory containing the html file). My workaround was to make a shell script called "mozilla" that invokes Camino: #!/bin/zsh -f /usr/bin/open -a Camino "$@" HTH someone. ------------------ Bill William G. Scott contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott

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Binary file not executable during installation?
by lkemp＠mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hello BB I am trying to install Phenix on Suse 9.3. I went for the 2.6 version as i got this: 2.6.11.4-21.17-smp i686 when i typed uname. However it required libtermcap.so.2 so i switched to the 2.4 version as suggested on a previous BB query. This however also goes wrong: This time the binary.log file says that python in /common is not executable I checked and this was due to the need for libstdc++.so.6. I made a softlink directing this to the .5 version but it doesnt like this. Does anyone have any ideas??? Thank you in advance for any help Lauris

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AssertionError & TLS
by Kanchan Anand 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hello everybody, I am a new user of Phenix and presently trying to refine 3.6 A data of a protein-RNA complex. whenever i add tls into my .def file for the next run, i get this problem: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5 , in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", li ne 78, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 130 8, in run log = log) File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 887, in refinement_machine h_params = h_params) File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/mmtbx/mmtbx/refinement/adp_refinement.py", li ne 160, in __init__ tools.split_u(fmodel.xray_structure, tls_selections, offset) File "/data/software/phenix-1.3b/mmtbx/mmtbx/tls/tools.py", line 468, in split _u assert (u_iso < 0.0).count(True) == 0 AssertionError I have downloaded the new 1.3b version and without tls the program runs fine! could you please help Thanks in advance Regards kanchan

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textal problem
by Daniele de Sanctis 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Dear all, I'm running textal.build to build a model in a 3.2 A map, and I'm using the option --input_model and --sequence. It seems to run ok until finishing the lookup but then i got the error message: doing sequence alignment against: ../pippo.seq sh: Syntax error: Bad fd number error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'phentx-lookup-correct.pdb' indeed the file is not there, but i guess that is not there because o the previous Syntax error. any clue? thanks d -- Daniele de Sanctis, PhD Homo sum humani nil alienum a me puto ______________________________________________________________ phone ++ 351 21 4469 662 fax ++ 351 21 4433 664 e-mail de.sanctisd(a)gmail.com, sanctis(a)itqb.unl.pt Mailing address: ITQB, Av. República, Apartato 127 2781-901 Oeiras Portugal

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Re: [phenixbb] how to add phase info to the autosol wizard
by Tom Terwilliger 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hi Chuanbing, I'm sorry, that option isn't there yet! It is one that is on my list of to-do's. -Tom T At 01:51 AM 5/31/2007, CB Bian wrote: >Dear all, > > I am trying to add phase info from externally calculated > phases to the autosol wizard with S-SAD data. But I can not find > the option to do it in the running. Can someone help me? > > >Thanks in advance > >Chuanbing > >-- >ChuanBing Bian, Ph.D Student >Structural biology group >State Key laboratory of Structural Chemistry >Fujian Institute of Research on the Structure of Matter, >Chinese Academy of Sciences >155 Yang Qiao Xi Lu, Fuzhou, Fujian 350002 P. R. China >E-mail: ><mailto:[email protected]>cbbian(a)gmail.com ><mailto:[email protected]>cbbian(a)fjirsm.ac.cn >Tel:(office)+86-591-8370-5814 ><http://protein.fjirsm.ac.cn/>http://protein.fjirsm.ac.cn >_______________________________________________ >phenixbb mailing list >phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb Thomas C. Terwilliger Mail Stop M888 Los Alamos National Laboratory Los Alamos, NM 87545 Tel: 505-667-0072 email: terwilliger(a)LANL.gov Fax: 505-665-3024 SOLVE web site: http://solve.lanl.gov PHENIX web site: http:www.phenix-online.org ISFI Integrated Center for Structure and Function Innovation web site: http://techcenter.mbi.ucla.edu TB Structural Genomics Consortium web site: http://www.doe-mbi.ucla.edu/TB

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how to add phase info to the autosol wizard
by CB Bian 31 May '07

31 May '07

Dear all, I am trying to add phase info from externally calculated phases to the autosol wizard with S-SAD data. But I can not find the option to do it in the running. Can someone help me? Thanks in advance Chuanbing -- ChuanBing Bian, Ph.D Student Structural biology group State Key laboratory of Structural Chemistry Fujian Institute of Research on the Structure of Matter, Chinese Academy of Sciences 155 Yang Qiao Xi Lu, Fuzhou, Fujian 350002 P. R. China E-mail: cbbian(a)gmail.com cbbian(a)fjirsm.ac.cn Tel:(office)+86-591-8370-5814 http://protein.fjirsm.ac.cn

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Re: [phenixbb] Death by Big-ass structure
by Petrus H Zwart 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hi Ulrich, Frank, Ralf has just placed a new version of cci_apps on our download sites (www.phenix-online.org). It contains a new application named phenix.xmanip (or mmtbx.xmanip if you only download the cctbx). It is basically a rewritten version of the reindex.py script I once wrote as an example jiffy. xmanip can read in various reflection files or mtz/cns data columns which subsequently can be used in reindexing or other tasks. The parameter file I send Frank a couple of days ago should still work, even though some rearrangements have been made . Typing phenix.xmanip reindex.def should do the trick. Other options are available as well. One could - generate map coefficients from a model (plain FC,PHIC, or sigmaA style maps if observed data is available) - get anomalous / isomorphous differences - scale two datasets together - generate symmetry mates of a model - the 'custom' option allows you to pass in a snippet of python code and have it executed. One has access to all datasets and molecular model read in. You could for instance add two datasets or multiply them if it makes you happy. Full documentation is under way. If you have any question, please let me know. Peter

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine questions: weights, docs, etc.
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi Dale, > The sets of parameters that can be refined simultaneously is a result of the > choice of optimization method, not the choice of the function being optimized. > The crucial difference is how the second derivatives are handled. In the > methods used in Phenix and CNS the seconds derivatives of all parameters are > assumed to be equal and uncorrelated. This is true only for the first iteration of a minimization in a phenix macro cycle. After that the L-BFGS method builds up an approximation of the second derivative information. > To ensure that this assumption is true > only parameters of the same category can be varied in a single cycle. This > means that the coordinates can be varied, but the B factors and scale factors > have to be held fixed. When the B factors are varied the coordinates and > scale factors must be constant. When the scale factors are varied everything > else must be fixed. > > Other refinement programs use second derivatives in a more explicit way > than Phenix and do vary more types of parameters in a single cycle. Shelxd is > the most powerful and, by default, varies all parameters of all classes each > cycle. Refmac, to the best of my knowledge, refines both coordinates and ADPs > together, but does refine TLS parameters in a separate step. As far as I know, Shelx doesn't use second derivatives at all. Shelx is shaped completely by the least-squares approach, using the Jacobian. You couldn't plug another target function into Shelx as you can do in the common macromolecular programs. I.e. there is in fact a link between the minimization method and choice of the target function. REFMAC uses a block-diagonal approach that only takes the correlations of the parameters of one atom into account. phenix approximates these with the L-BFGS method. We have not actually tried to refine coordinates and B-factors simultaneously since we've been too busy with other priorities. In theory it should be possible, but I'm sure it will take a lot of fine-tuning. > Since all the parameters of our models are correlated with one another, it > is better to refine as many of them at once as possible. Implementing > the join refinement of all these kinds of parameters is difficult, so to save > programmers' time approximations are sometimes made. We'll spend the time when we find it. :-) But I don't expect spectacular gains, no matter how long we beat on the second derivatives. Ralf

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phenix.refine questions: weights, docs, etc.
by Frank von Delft 30 May '07

30 May '07

Hi, four questions on phenix.refine: 1) What's the reason for refining bss, xyz and adp in separate cycles? CNS does that too while refmac (I believe) refines them simultaneously. I suspect I missed something, but I thought the power of ML refinement is that no refinable parameters are held constant if they're not supposed to be. (At least, wasn't that the big deal in Sharp when it came out?) 2) How does one figure the right restraint weights? (wxc and wxc). In refmac, I've always calibrated the weight with rmsd(bonds), tightening it until rmsd(bonds) is ~0.018 (or below for lower reso); invariably this is where Rfree will decrease furthest and smoothly as well (i.e. without that silly rise at the end.) With phenix.refine I'm finding that I only get Rfree to drop monotonously when I tighten the weights (both wxc and wxu) so much that rmsd(bonds) goes down to ~0.002. Would there be a different way to do this? 3) There isn't currently torsional refinement, is there? For high-temperature simulated annealing, I mean. I'm having the same weight-adjustment question for SA, except is harder to fiddle with because jobs take so long, but with torsional that becomes moot. Or should one always put very tight weights on for SA? 4) Is there good documentation for all the loads and loads of keywords? The names themselves are just descriptive enough to be interesting, but obviously not enough to be informative if I don't just want the black box. Nice program, though, got to say... phx.

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Death by Big-ass structure
by Frank von Delft 26 May '07

26 May '07

Hi, we get the memory error below for a structure of 30603 atoms 273217 reflections 2.1A H3 193.868 193.868 352.223 90.00 90.00 120.00 10x NCS Anything I said? It's not THAT large a problem, I'd have thought, or should we go to the rhombohedral setting instead? (Hmmmm, this rings a bell, wasn't there a posting about this 3 days ago? Nothing in the archives, was it CCP4bb?) Cheers phx Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5, in ? command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 75, in run refine_object.run( File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1236, in run log = log) File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 273, in refinement_machine log = log) File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py ", line 111, in __init__ self.fmodel_copy = self.fmodel.deep_copy() File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/mmtbx/mmtbx/twinning/twin_f_model.py", line 1003, in deep_copy map_types = self.map_types File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/mmtbx/mmtbx/twinning/twin_f_model.py", line 888, in __init__ self.update_f_mask() File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/mmtbx/mmtbx/twinning/twin_f_model.py", line 1370, in update_f_mask self.f_mask_array = mask.structure_factors( self.miller_set ) File "/usr/local/phenix/phenix-1.26b/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 103, in structure_factors flex.grid(fft_manager.m_real()).set_focus(fft_manager.n_real())) MemoryError

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Re: [phenixbb] Question about restraints in individualB-factor re finement
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 26 May '07

26 May '07

Thanks Pavel,Nigel: so it looks as if neither approach works and I would need to split the ligands into seperate PDB files for a truly independent B-factor refinement. Thanks for the hint about the non-bonded interactions. That was useful. Cheers Carsten -----Original Message----- From: phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Pavel Afonine Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:51 PM To: PHENIX user mailing list Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Question about restraints in individualB-factor refinement Hi Carsten, for the refinement of b-factors there is no difference between two options. We use the sphere b-factors restraints which are calculated based on interatomic distances and the information about alternative conformations is not used at that point. However if you refine the coordinates, the difference is significant: if you refine it as two separate residues then they will "see" each other for non-bonded interactions term calculation and hence will be pushed apart. Please let me know if you still have questions! Pavel. Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] wrote: Hi, I have a question about the handling of restraints in the individual B-factor refinement routine. What I'd like to do is to refine a ligand, which can be present in 2 or more different conformations/orientations in its binding site. I'd like to use B-factor refinement on the various instances of the ligand, which one is the most relevant one, assuming that the most relevant conformation/orientation is associated with the lowest B-factor (Validity of that assumption set aside ...) My question is now is there any difference in the restraints applied to the b-factors in the scenarios where A) the ligand is modeled as alternate conformations i.e. ATOM 2724 C01AINH I 1 27.808 26.376 23.301 0.50 27.77 I C ATOM 2733 C01BINH I 1 30.898 22.496 17.340 0.50 22.15 I C ... vs. scenario B) where the same ligand is modeled as 2 different residues ATOM 2724 C01 INH I 1 27.808 26.376 23.301 0.50 27.77 I C ATOM 2733 C01 INH I 2 30.898 22.496 17.340 0.50 22.15 I C .... Basically, what I am trying to achieve is to uncouple the B-factor refinement of each individual instance of the ligand from its other instance(s). Are there any hidden pitfalls between these 2 scenarios I should be aware of? Many thanks for any input. Cheers Carsten _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb

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Question about restraints in individual B-factor refinement
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 26 May '07

26 May '07

Hi, I have a question about the handling of restraints in the individual B-factor refinement routine. What I'd like to do is to refine a ligand, which can be present in 2 or more different conformations/orientations in its binding site. I'd like to use B-factor refinement on the various instances of the ligand, which one is the most relevant one, assuming that the most relevant conformation/orientation is associated with the lowest B-factor (Validity of that assumption set aside ...) My question is now is there any difference in the restraints applied to the b-factors in the scenarios where A) the ligand is modeled as alternate conformations i.e. ATOM 2724 C01AINH I 1 27.808 26.376 23.301 0.50 27.77 I C ATOM 2733 C01BINH I 1 30.898 22.496 17.340 0.50 22.15 I C ... vs. scenario B) where the same ligand is modeled as 2 different residues ATOM 2724 C01 INH I 1 27.808 26.376 23.301 0.50 27.77 I C ATOM 2733 C01 INH I 2 30.898 22.496 17.340 0.50 22.15 I C .... Basically, what I am trying to achieve is to uncouple the B-factor refinement of each individual instance of the ligand from its other instance(s). Are there any hidden pitfalls between these 2 scenarios I should be aware of? Many thanks for any input. Cheers Carsten

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probable RTFM question
by William Scott 18 May '07

18 May '07

Howdie: I just used phenix.geometry_minimization to try to see the effect of deleting some disulphide bonds in a protein structure. Is there a way to do the equivalent of CNS's model_anneal (i.e., simulated annealing with just a model)? It wasn't apparent from reading the phenix.refine docs. Thanks. Bill William G. Scott Contact info: http://chemistry.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/

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Re: [phenixbb] statistics output by phenix.refine
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 18 May '07

18 May '07

> Are these maximum likelihood targets the normal maximum likelihood > function or the minus one? We are using the maximum likelihood targets described here: Lunin, V.Y., Afonine, P.V. & Urzhumtsev, A. (2002). Acta Cryst. A58, 270-282. Lunin, V.Y. & Skovoroda, T.P. (1995). Acta Cryst. A51, 880-887. > Should I expect an increase or decrease of the target? Decrease. But see below... > If the part of the restraints is not combined with > the x-ray part, the target is showing is not the actual target the > program is trying to maximize or minimize. Yes, that's right. > The values don't have a trend, at least I can't see a trend in my > log file. The x-ray target may go up since we refine x-ray target + geometry target. The total will always go down (that's how the minimizer works), but an individual contribution may go up a bit. Ralf

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statistics output by phenix.refine
by Jianghai Zhu 17 May '07

17 May '07

Hi, At the end of the log file output by phenix.refine, only R and Rfree are output. Is it possible to generate a statistical table which includes R, Rfree, FOM, LLG (total), LLG (free), rmsd (bond), rmsd (angle), ... for every refinement cycle? I want to monitor the progress of my refinement. Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Using Phenix to calculate Atom Maps
by James Fraser 15 May '07

15 May '07

Hello, Is there a way to use Phenix to calculate maps that are just representative of the model? This would be similar to the ATMMAP mode of SFALL or using model_fcalc.inp/model_phase.inp in CNS. Thanks, James

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Reflection output
by Rife, Christopher L 10 May '07

10 May '07

Hi, In trying to get a reflection file written out after refinement with phenix.refine (version 2007_03_13_2155), we found a couple of problems. 1. The documentation gives the example of including "export_final_f_model=mtz" in the command line input, however, phenix complains that it does not know this command. It is possible to work around this by changing "write_refined_fmodel_to_file" in the param file to true. 2. When the model is refined with twinning, trying to write out the reflection file causes it to crash with the following error: > Writing refined fmodel to plain text file: > /data5/Completed/PH10062D-47717/Phenix/model_001_fmodel.hkl > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/comman > d_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> > command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refine > ment/command_line.py", line 86, in run > if(output.write_refined_fmodel_to_file): > refine_object.write_refined_fmodel(f_hkl) > File > "/home/sdcsoftware/linux/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refine > ment/driver.py", line 927, in write_refined_fmodel > self.fmodel.dump(out = f) > AttributeError: 'twin_model_manager' object has no attribute 'dump' We are trying to prepare files for deposition, so any assistance would be welcome. Thanks, Chris ----------------------------------------- Structure Determination Core Joint Center for Structural Genomics Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Laboratory

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Remodelling using Phenix
by Ethayathulla A.S 04 May '07

04 May '07

hi I am doing structure at 2.3A resolution. It is a dimer not NCS. I have probelm in tracing last 10 amino acids in the C-terminus in both chains. Both chains come close each other and winds up. So Iam finding difficulty in tracing the chain. I used phenix for rebuilding with all the amino acid included. But autorebuilding is not rebuilding properly, whatever input is given it rebuilds on that. Actually it should be a helix and only at lower cuff off we can observe density for main chain so I tried phenix rebuild to improve it but it's not working. Is there any option to use phenix. I used rebuilding with option automatic and input coordinates and sequence. plz suggest do improve the phases. -- A.S.Ethayathulla Department of BIophysics All India Institute of Medical Sciences Ansai Nagar New Delhi-110029 India

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Re: [phenixbb] PHENIX user mailing list <[email protected]>
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Hi James, > Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 > "CD CD D 1 " > "CD CD D 2 " This problem should be fixed in the latest phenix development release (1.26 beta @ http://www.phenix-online.org/download/index.html) and the slightly more recent CCI Apps (link at same web page). Are you using phenix.refine from an older release? Could you please try the latest phenix or CCI Apps? Ralf

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Interpreting Cd atoms
by James Fraser 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

Hello, I'm trying to refine a structure with Cadmium bound. Is there a standard way to define "energy type symbols"? Thanks, James Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 "CD CD D 1 " "CD CD D 2 " "CD CD D 3 " "CD CD D 4 " "CD CD D 5 " "CD CD D 6 " "CD CD D 7 " "CD CD D 8 " "CD CD D 9 " "CD CD D 10 " ... (remaining 4 not shown) Time building chain proxies: 2.36, per 1000 atoms: 1.27 Sorry: Fatal problems interpreting PDB file: Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 14 Please edit the PDB file to resolve the problems and/or supply a CIF file with matching restraint definitions. Note that elbow.builder is available to create restraint definitions.

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Re: [phenixbb] Special positions
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 12 Apr '07

12 Apr '07

Hi Morton, > I have a symmetrical ligand, malonate -OOCCCOO-, that binds right on the > crystallographic axis of a C2 structure. Is the correct approach to set > the occupancy to 0.5 and then refine or is there a better way to handle is > in Phenix? The 0.5 trick currently doesn't work in phenix.refine since we don't provide a way to turn off nonbonded interactions between symmetry copies. However, we fully support handling of atoms on special positions and bonds involving symmetry operations. For this to work, you have to give only an asymmetric unit worth of atoms, i.e. in your case half of your molecule. Is the C in the middle exactly on the two-fold axis? If so, delete these atoms from the PDB file: -OOCCCOO- ^^^ Then use the custom bond and angle feature (for the angles you'll need the 2007_04_06 CCI Apps) to define the required bonds and angles, including the bonds to the protein. I hope it is straightforward. If not, could you send me the fragments from you pdb file with the malonate and the piece of protein it is linked to? Then I could work out the bond and angle definitions for you. Ralf

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Special positions
by morteng＠bioxray.dk 11 Apr '07

11 Apr '07

Hello everybody I have a symmetrical ligand, malonate -OOCCCOO-, that binds right on the crystallographic axis of a C2 structure. Is the correct approach to set the occupancy to 0.5 and then refine or is there a better way to handle is in Phenix? Best regards -- Morten K Grøftehauge PhD student Department of Molecular Biology Gustav Wieds Vej 10 C 8000 Aarhus C - Denmark Phone: +45 89 42 50 10 Fax: +45 86 12 31 78 www.bioxray.dk

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phenix.refine: How to define links and bond distances
by Matthew Bowler 03 Apr '07

03 Apr '07

Dear All, I have been trying to find the utility in elbow_builder to define bond distances and link distances with no luck, the .py file has bond order information for my ligand but nothing regarding distances etc, can anyone help? Thanks in advance, yours, Matt. Matthew Bowler MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 2XY Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825

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Re: [phenixbb] coordination of metal ions
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

Hi Jesper, could you send me the fragments from your PDB file with the metal ion and the bound residues? I'll work this into an example for making the required cif definitions manually. Ralf

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coordination of metal ions
by Jesper Lykkegaard Karlsen 30 Mar '07

30 Mar '07

Dear Phenix-devels Is it possible set up geometric restrains for metal ions bound to protein in phenix.refine? elbow.builder seems only to work on separate molecules and not on metal ions with its coordinating sidechains. I found the feature to introduce custom bond distance between two atoms, but what about custom angles? And by the way will this these custom setting ignore Van Der Waals radii? or is there a way to set these for special atoms? Thanks! Jesper

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riding hydrogen and mlhl
by Jianghai Zhu 29 Mar '07

29 Mar '07

Hi All, I just found a refinement.hydrogens entry in the phenix.refine. Can we use phenix.refine to generate riding hydrogens to help the geometry in low- or mid-resolution refinement now? Using hydrogens in refmac5 really gives a better result than not using hydrogens. Another question. Is there a way to blur the experimental or density modified phases when using mlhl target? Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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NCS weighting
by Jianghai Zhu 28 Mar '07

28 Mar '07

Hi, I am wondering how the NCS weighting in phenix.refine works. I guess the default values (coordinate_sigma = 0.05, b_factor_weight = 10) are pretty tight. What kind values would be appropriate for medium and loose NCS? Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] ls_wunit_k1
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 27 Mar '07

27 Mar '07

> All right. The target for my TLS is also LS. Is that intentional too? Pavel, who wrote the TLS code, is current offline. I don't know if Pavel ran systematic tests to determine the default target for TLS. A couple of months ago I ran systematic tests exercising rigid body refinement using both the LS and ML targets. Overall it turned out that ML is slightly better than LS. For an individual structure and a particular starting point it can be the other way around, but averaged over about 70 structures with 100 random starting points each ML generally outperforms LS. We should have updated the default accordingly, but it fell through the cracks. If you have the time to try out both ML and LS in the refinement of your structure, we'd be interested to know the results. Ralf P.S.: What's the version of phenix.refine you are using? -- I'm still puzzled why you didn't get the "automatic adjustment" messages.

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Re: [phenixbb] ls_wunit_k1
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

> You are right. Somehow, the default target function in > refinement.bulk_solvent_and_scale is LS, not ML. The default (phenix.refine --show-defaults=all) is actually ml. However, if the main target is set to ls the bulk_solvent_and_scale target is automatically reset to ls, too. There should be corresponding messages in the log file ("automatic adjustment"). Ralf

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ls_wunit_k1
by Jianghai Zhu 26 Mar '07

26 Mar '07

Hi, I happen to notice that the target function of "Bulk solvent correction and scaling" in a phenix.refine run is ls_wunit_k1. Does that mean LS function for bulk solvent correction and scaling is the default in phenix.refine? If I uncheck ls_wunit_k1 in refinement.ls_target_names in my parameter file, will phenix.refine use the ML function or something bad will happen? Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] The performance of phenix.refine
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 23 Mar '07

23 Mar '07

> Did anybody actually compare the performance among phenix.refine, CNS > and refmac5? I am trying the phenix.refine from the latest CCI > bundle for my refinement. I have a relative large structure (800 kD > unique) and unit cell (140, 160, 550, 90, 90, 90). The data is at > low resolution ( 3.8 A) with experimental phases. My impression is > that phenix.refine takes a much longer time to finish the jobs, say > rigid body refinement or SA refinement, and it also takes a lot more > memories ( in my case, phenix.refine uses more than 700 MB, but other > programs use less than 200 MB). We have been concentrating on features and a high level of automation much more than raw speed and memory efficiency. Given that memory is so cheap these days (ca. $80/GB) there isn't much incentive for us to trade developer time for a smaller memory footprint. Speed optimizations are a bit higher up on the list. > Is this because the python code in > phenix.refine? CNS and refmac5 are written in FROTRAN, I think. Just > curious. phenix.refine doesn't spend much time in the Python code. It is a long while ago I did careful timings, but I'd guess it is significantly less than 10% of the time. C++ is intrinsically almost as fast as FORTRAN if the same development time is invested in the code. I.e. what you see is not a language issue, just a tradeoff features vs. optimization. We'll work on making phenix.refine a bit faster in the future, but at the minute more features are still our focus. Ralf

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The performance of phenix.refine
by Jianghai Zhu 22 Mar '07

22 Mar '07

Hi, Did anybody actually compare the performance among phenix.refine, CNS and refmac5? I am trying the phenix.refine from the latest CCI bundle for my refinement. I have a relative large structure (800 kD unique) and unit cell (140, 160, 550, 90, 90, 90). The data is at low resolution ( 3.8 A) with experimental phases. My impression is that phenix.refine takes a much longer time to finish the jobs, say rigid body refinement or SA refinement, and it also takes a lot more memories ( in my case, phenix.refine uses more than 700 MB, but other programs use less than 200 MB). Is this because the python code in phenix.refine? CNS and refmac5 are written in FROTRAN, I think. Just curious. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: [phenixbb] freeR syntax question in phenix.refine
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 21 Mar '07

21 Mar '07

> I was running refinement from an mtz file from sigmaa in ccp4 with an > appropriate FreeR flag designated in the MTZ file. phenix.refine > worked fine and seemed to exclude the test reflections, but I wanted > to know what these commands do. Don't! :-) > r_free_flags { > file_name = "S19_sigmaa1.mtz" > label = "FreeR_flag" > test_flag_value = 0 --> don't know what this means? > disable_suitability_test = False --> implications of this? phenix.refine is designed to figure everything out automatically. You will have to specify file_name and label only if you have multiple R-free-flag arrays in the reflection files you give to phenix.refine, which is very unusual. phenix.refine does some sanity checks to determine if arrays that "look like" R-free-flag arrays are actually suitable for refinement, and reject them if "it doesn't think so". It will then tell you that you can override the sanity checks by setting disable_suitability_test to True. Again, this is very unusual. The test_flag_value could potentially be important. phenix.refine analyses the putative R-free-flag array(s) to guess if they came from CNS, where 0 usually means work set, 1 free set, or CCP4, which mostly uses values from 0 to 19, 0 is the default free set in REFMAC. Therefore, roughly, if phenix.refine "thinks" it is a CNS R-free-flag array it assigns test_flag_value=1, or 0 if it "thinks" it is a CCP4 array. Only if you used REFMAC before for refinement, and only if you manually instructed REFMAC to use a value different from 0 for the free set, will you have to manually tell phenix.refine about it, e.g. via r_free_flags.test_flag_value=19. If you are interested in more details, inspect the script iotbx/iotbx/reflection_file_utils.py, which does all the guesswork. Look for "get_r_free_flags_scores".

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freeR syntax question in phenix.refine
by Simon Newstead 21 Mar '07

21 Mar '07

Dear BB, Sorry for the obvious question, but I couldn't find a description of the syntax for the FreeR flag function in phenix.refine. Is there a paragraph on the phenix web site that explains what I should put in these fields: r_free_flags { file_name = "S19_sigmaa1.mtz" label = "FreeR_flag" test_flag_value = 0 --> don't know what this means? disable_suitability_test = False --> implications of this? I was running refinement from an mtz file from sigmaa in ccp4 with an appropriate FreeR flag designated in the MTZ file. phenix.refine worked fine and seemed to exclude the test reflections, but I wanted to know what these commands do. Cheers, Simon.

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Twinned Refinement
by Axelrod, Herbert 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi, I was wondering if anyone has tested the new version of phenix.refine for the refinement of twinned diffraction data. Last week at Asilomar, Pavel presented a nice talk at Asilomar on the capabilities of phenix.refine to handle twinned data. Best wishes, Herbert L. Axelrod Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab

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phenix.refine crash
by Jianghai Zhu 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi, I was using phenix.refine from the latest cci apps bundle to do tls +individual_sites+individual_adp refinement. The program crashed with the following error message. ----------Target weights (before refinement)---------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/command_line/ refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ command_line.py", line 75, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ driver.py", line 1108, in run log = log) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ strategies.py", line 245, in refinement_machine log = log) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/ weight_xray_chem.py", line 222, in __init__ compute_gradients = True) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/restraints.py", line 144, in energies_adp_aniso xray_structure = xray_structure, File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/ __init__.py", line 109, in __init__ self.check_flags(fl_i) File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/ __init__.py", line 177, in check_flags assert not fl.use_u_aniso() AssertionError Anyone has any idea what is happening? Thanks. Jianghai +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D CBR Institute for Biomedical Research Department of Pathology Harvard Medical School 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 Ph: 617-278-3211 Fx: 618-278-3232 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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More stringent water picking
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Hi, is it possible to increase the stringency criteria for picked waters, besides increasing the sigma level? E.G. something on the order of the H-bonding criterion found in CNS? I find that the automated water-picking routine gives me quite a few waters, which are not necessarily justified by visual inspection of the maps. Thanks Carsten

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Re: [phenixbb] More stringent water picking
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] 20 Mar '07

20 Mar '07

Thanks Guys, would it be possible to implement the H-bonding criteria? From my experience with CNS it worked quite nicely. Right now I end up with ~350 waters in a 2.3 A structure of a 30kDa protein, which is a bit much. -----Original Message----- From: phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:02 PM To: PHENIX user mailing list Subject: Re: [phenixbb] More stringent water picking Hi Carsten, thanks for your question! The main water picking criteria in phenix.refine are: 1) Fo-Fc map; 2) 2Fo-Fc map; 3) macromolecule - water distance; 4) water-water distance; 5) B-factors and occupancies max/min values; plus some more of expert level ... There is no specific H-bonding criteria implemented. You can play with sigma cutoff for both maps and with the distances above. In most of the cases it the reasonable behavior. I would be interested in Paul's (Adams) comments about his experience of usefulness of H-bonding criteria in CNS. Thanks! Pavel. Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS] wrote: Hi, is it possible to increase the stringency criteria for picked waters, besides increasing the sigma level? E.G. something on the order of the H-bonding criterion found in CNS? I find that the automated water-picking routine gives me quite a few waters, which are not necessarily justified by visual inspection of the maps. Thanks Carsten _____ _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org <mailto:[email protected]> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb <http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb>

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Re: [phenixbb] OS X installation problem
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

> powerpc-apple-darwin8-g++-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 20041026 (Apple Computer, > Inc. build 4061) There is a more recent Xcode release that works here. I.e. if you still want to compile from sources, upgrade the Xcode tools. You can get them for free at Apple's developer web site. However... > is that the 10.3.9 bundle? Yes, exactly. I should also work under 10.4. I recommend trying this first. It is also most faster than a source installation (just a few seconds). Ralf

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Re: [phenixbb] OS X installation problem
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

I have not seen this error before. Could you send me the output of c++ --version Note that we have binary bundles for PowerPC Macs. Did you try that one? Ralf

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OS X installation problem
by Arthur Glasfeld 18 Mar '07

18 Mar '07

Hi, I'm following Bill Scott's instructions for installing cci_apps on a G5 mac. I've attempted it from the self-extracting file and from the gzipped file. I type the following commands: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/ python ../cci_apps_sources/libtbx/configure.py phenix source setpaths.sh num_cpu=$( sysctl hw.logicalcpu | awk '{print $NF}' ) libtbx.scons -j $num_cpu . and things begin OK, but then after a bit of compiling, I get: /usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/boost/libs/python/src/object/ inheritance.cpp:120: instantiated from here /usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/boost/boost/graph/ graph_concepts.hpp:74: error: base 'boost::concepts::IncidenceGraph<boost::reverse_graph<boost::<unnamed>:: cast_graph, const boost::<unnamed>::cast_graph&> >' with only non- default constructor in class without a constructor scons: *** [boost/libs/python/src/object/inheritance.o] Error 1 scons: building terminated because of errors. usr+sys time: 5.92 seconds wall clock time: 37.99 seconds I had no problems in an intel mac. Anything obvious I should have done? Thanks in advance for any assistance, Arthur Arthur Glasfeld Department of Chemistry Reed College 3203 SE Woodstock Blvd. Portland, OR 97202 USA

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine crash -- other error
by Peter Zwart 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

Good to know. Let me know if the refinement is any faster. Cheers Peter Ulrich Baumann wrote: > Yop, that did it --- I sourced an old phenix setpaths and not the cci_apps. > > Thanks a lot, > > Ulrich > > Quoting Peter Zwart <PHZwart(a)lbl.gov>: > >> Hi Ulrich, >> >> Please make sure that the phenix.python used is actually the >> phenix.python you installed with cci_apps. >> >> The behavoir seen might be due to using an other phenix.python >> installation (on that loads in old python libraries). This can be >> avoided by making sure that the last crystallographic package sourced in >> your .chsrc file, is the latest phenix/cci_apps installation. >> >> A which phenix.python might give a clue what is run, and hitting the tab >> key or CRTl-D after typing phenix.refine might auytocomplete or give a >> list of possibilities. >> >> Let me know what happened. >> >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ulrich Baumann wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I hate to bother you guys with this but .... >>> >>> dcb-macbeth:[lip3] > phenix.python >>> /usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/examples/reindex.py >>> data.file=lip_r3_1.8A.mtz model.file=in.pdb action=reindex >> standard_laws=niggli >>> #phil __OFF__ >>> ================= >>> REINDEX >>> A reindexing tool >>> ================= >>> >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File >> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/examples/reindex.py", >>> line 468, in ? >>> reindex_utils(sys.argv[1:]) >>> File >> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/examples/reindex.py", >>> line 260, in reindex_utils >>> combined_xs = crystal.select_crystal_symmetry( >>> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'select_crystal_symmetry' >>> >>> >>> I seem to hae to set a spacegroup? Sorry, I could not find a documentation >> for >>> the reindex utility. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Ulrich >>> >>> Quoting Peter Zwart <PHZwart(a)lbl.gov>: >>> >>>> Hi Ulrich, >>>> >>>> You could try refining your structure in a primitive setting, this might >>>> alleviate memory usage a bit (not sure though). >>>> >>>> try >>>> >>>> phenix.python $MMTBX_DIST/mmtbx/examples/reindex.py data.file=mydata.mtz >>>> model.file=mymodel.pdb action=reindex standard_laws=niggli >>>> >>>> You will get a new mtz file and a new pdb file. Unfortunately, the free >>>> flags are not copied over, so you would have to reindex those separately >>>> using iotbx.reflection_file_converter and read that file in separately >>>> in phenix.refine. >>>> >>>> This might be a bit criptic, if so, let me know and I will post more >>>> details. >>>> >>>> I am not sure this does the trick though, I hope Ralf or Pavel can give >>>> some suggestions. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ulrich Baumann wrote: >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> if you remove the ANISOU card from the input pdb file, phenix will run >>>> fine >>>>> ....sometimes not. >>>>> >>>>> phenix.refine ( Version: 2007_01_24_2154) crashed for me as well: we >> have >>>> a >>>>> rather large unit cell and good resolution. The program crashes >>>> reproducibly >>>>> (see below) when using resolution limits better than 3 A, although >>>> sometimes >>>>> this only occurs in the 2nd macrocycle. >>>>> >>>>> Working crystal symmetry after inspecting all inputs: >>>>> Unit cell: (202.401, 202.401, 317.731, 90, 90, 120) >>>>> Space group: R 3 :H (No. 146) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We have 2 GB memory and could stuff in more but maybe we can limit the >>>> memeory >>>>> use in a different way? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot for your help, >>>>> >>>>> Ulrich >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ============================= ml refinement start >>>> ============================= >>>>> ----------structure factors based statistics (before >>>> refinement)---------- >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>> File >>>> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.p >>>>> y", line 5, in <module> >>>>> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) >>>>> File >>>> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_li >>>>> ne.py", line 75, in run >>>>> call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) >>>>> File >>>> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py" >>>>> , line 1108, in run >>>>> log = log) >>>>> File >>>> "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies >>>>> .py", line 174, in refinement_machine >>>>> abcd = abcd) >>>>> File "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/f_model.py", >> line >>>> 185, >>>>> in __init__ >>>>> b_cart = b_cart) >>>>> File "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/f_model.py", >> line >>>> 466, >>>>> in update_xray_structure >>>>> f_mask = bulk_solvent_mask_obj.structure_factors(miller_set= >>>> self.f_obs) >>>>> File "/usr/local/cci_apps/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line >>>> 97, in >>>>> structure_factors >>>>> flex.grid(fft_manager.m_real()).set_focus(fft_manager.n_real())) >>>>> MemoryError >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Quoting Pavel Afonine <pafonine(a)lbl.gov>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> this is known problem and it will be fixed ASAP; sorry for this. >>>>>> This presumably happens because an atom selected to be refined as >>>>>> individual anisotropic is included into a TLS group. >>>>>> I will let you know once the fixed version of CCI Apps is available. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pavel. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jianghai Zhu wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was using phenix.refine from the latest cci apps bundle to do >>>>>>> tls+individual_sites+individual_adp refinement. The program crashed >>>>>>> with the following error message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------Target weights (before refinement)---------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", >>>>>>> line 5, in <module> >>>>>>> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> >> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", >>>>>>> line 75, in run >>>>>>> call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", >>>>>>> line 1108, in run >>>>>>> log = log) >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> >> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", >>>>>>> line 245, in refinement_machine >>>>>>> log = log) >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> >> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", >>>>>>> line 222, in __init__ >>>>>>> compute_gradients = True) >>>>>>> File "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/mmtbx/mmtbx/restraints.py", >>>>>>> line 144, in energies_adp_aniso >>>>>>> xray_structure = xray_structure, >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> >> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/__init__.py", >>>>>>> line 109, in __init__ >>>>>>> self.check_flags(fl_i) >>>>>>> File >>>>>>> >> "/nfs/home/jzhu/cci_apps_sources/cctbx/cctbx/adp_restraints/__init__.py", >>>>>>> line 177, in check_flags >>>>>>> assert not fl.use_u_aniso() >>>>>>> AssertionError >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone has any idea what is happening? Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jianghai >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> Jianghai Zhu, Ph.D >>>>>>> CBR Institute for Biomedical Research >>>>>>> Department of Pathology >>>>>>> Harvard Medical School >>>>>>> 200 Longwood Ave., Boston, MA 02115 >>>>>>> Ph: 617-278-3211 >>>>>>> Fx: 618-278-3232 >>>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> phenixbb mailing list >>>>>>> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >>>>>>> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> phenixbb mailing list >>>> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >>>> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> > >

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Re: [phenixbb] pdb waters
by Pavel Afonine 17 Mar '07

17 Mar '07

Hi, yes, the waters in your file do not match the Monomer Library definition. If you simply replace O1 with O that will fix the problem. For example: GOOD record: ATOM 22792 O HOH X 1 37.309 34.504 -14.174 1.00 38.28 O BAD record: ATOM 22792 O1 HOH X 1 37.309 34.504 -14.174 1.00 38.28 O > I have tried running elbow on my pdb already with no luck. using your > command I get the error message: elbow.builder: error: no such option: > --do-all That makes me thinking that you are using an old version of CCI Apps or PHENIX. Are you using the latest one? Is the command you run looks like: % elbow.builder x.pdb --do-all Nigel: do you have any comments? Pavel.

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Re: [phenixbb] Few questions -- FreeR flag specification
by Tom Terwilliger 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

Hi John, I'm sorry for the slow reply; I was on a site visit and out of email contact. The AutoBuild wizard in the current version (which I am afraid you probably do not have!) does try to take the FreeR flags from your input file. You can also tell it specifically to do so with the GUI and in the command-line with refinement_file=ref.mtz input_refinement_labels="FP SIGFP None None None None None None FreeR" If you have version 1.25a , then you still should be able to specify the column for FreeR flags in the GUI window that asks which column labels to use (I could be wrong about that, however, as I don't have this version on my computer any longer). You should also be able to specify them with a script: phenix.runWizard AutoBuild AutoBuild.start_from_model terwill@rosie> cat $PHENIX/phenix/phenix/wizard_scripts/AutoBuild.start_from_model # AutoBuild.start_from_model # script to run a AutoBuild starting from a model # Version 1.26 of 26-Jan-2007 # run with: # phenix.runWizard AutoBuild AutoBuild.start_from_model [restart] # if you specify restart it will forget everything, # otherwise it will continue on from where it is now. input_ncs_file NONE # heavy-atom or PDB file for finding NCS input_data_file $PHENIX/examples/p9-sad/solve_1.mtz # file with experimental data. # Can be any format if only FP SIGFP; must be mtz if phases or HL or FreeR input input_labels FP SIGFP None None None None None None FreeR_flag # optional # line defining the 9 columns in input_mtz_file corresponding to # FP SIGFP PHIB FOM HLA HLB HLC HLD FreeR (use "None" for missing) input_map_file $PHENIX/examples/p9-sad/resolve_1.mtz # Optional map-coefficients file for first rebuild input_map_labels FP PHIM FOMM # optional line defining the 3 columns # in input_map_file corresponding to FP PHIB FOM ("None" for missing) input_seq_file $PHENIX/examples/p9-sad/seq.dat # file with sequence in 1-letter form # separate chains with >>> resolution 2.5 # high-resolution limit solvent_fraction 0.60 # you can put any other parameters here input_pdb_file $PHENIX/examples/p9-sad/p9.pdb # input PDB file for rebuilding rebuild_in_place True # rebuild my_model.pdb in place # (as opposed to building from scratch) start_chains_list 4 # chain 1 starts at residue 4 # rebuild residues 21-27 of chain "" and 31-42 of chain "" # rebuild_res_start_list 21 31 # rebuild_res_end_list 27 42 # rebuild_chain_list "" "" # n_cycle_rebuild_min 5 # n_cycle_rebuild_max 10 # AutoBuild will run automatically from here on with no more inputs I hope that helps! The new version of PHENIX that will be out very soon fixes many other problems as well! All the best, Tom T At 03:26 AM 3/13/2007, john kryst wrote: >Hi phenixbb !! > > I have few questions. > >1. Is there any utility in phenix to write out pdb formatted (which >is ready to deposit) output file.. like xtal_pdbsubmission utility in CNS. >2. In Autobuild wizard how to ask the program to use the Free R >flags present in the file. It always generates new Free R flags >during refinement. >One general question. > >Does the rmsd estimation (for eg. rmsd_bonds ) depends on the >program we use ?? > >I have been refining in CNS. then i used Autobuild wizard to build >my model. when i went back to cns the rmsd of bond increased ( >0.0218 A). But phenix.refine says it it 0.007A. > >Thanks in advance for your kind inputs. > >regards >john >_______________________________________________ >phenixbb mailing list >phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb Thomas C. Terwilliger Mail Stop M888 Los Alamos National Laboratory Los Alamos, NM 87545 Tel: 505-667-0072 email: terwilliger(a)LANL.gov Fax: 505-665-3024 SOLVE web site: http://solve.lanl.gov PHENIX web site: http:www.phenix-online.org ISFI Integrated Center for Structure and Function Innovation web site: http://techcenter.mbi.ucla.edu TB Structural Genomics Consortium web site: http://www.doe-mbi.ucla.edu/TB

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine problems with my pdb
by Nicholas Noinaj 16 Mar '07

16 Mar '07

matt, can't offer much help, but have you tried to remove the ligand and try refinement? it would let you know if the pdb file or the presence of the ligand is the problem. at least let you would know where you should focus your attention. if all else fails, have you tried getting parameters for your ligand from the PRODRG Server and using that for inputing the ligand parameters into phenix.refine directly when you setup the refinement job? (I think i have done this before???) here is the website in case you aren't familiar... http://davapc1.bioch.dundee.ac.uk/programs/prodrg/ Again, Best of luck! cheers, nick -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bowler <mwb(a)mrc-dunn.cam.ac.uk> To: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:00:42 +0000 Subject: [phenixbb] phenix.refine problems with my pdb Dear All, I am trying to run phenix.refine but I keep getting the message: Sorry: Fatal problems interpreting PDB file: Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 308 Please edit the PDB file to resolve the problems and/or supply a CIF file with matching restraint definitions. Note that elbow.builder is available to create restraint definitions. I have run my ligands through elbow and used the output .cif but I still get the same message. I can find no info on this problem in the manual or the BB, can anyone help? Thanks in advance, yours, Matt. Matthew Bowler MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 2XY Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825 _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine problems with my pdb
by Nicholas Noinaj 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

matt, >>> Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 308 just curious, did you have 308 waters? as peter said, hard to determine exact problem without some files or examples to look at. also phenix does a good job with water picking, in my little experience. just one more question, when you do get the refinement to work, is your ligand(s) included with the protein model? just no waters, right? it wasn't completely clear from your message. if the ligands aren't included, i recommend adding it(them) back and see if refinement works. then if that works, try water picking within phenix. again, best of luck. cheers, nick -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Bowler <mwb(a)mrc-dunn.cam.ac.uk> To: noinaj(a)uky.edu, PHENIX user mailing list <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:15:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [phenixbb] phenix.refine problems with my pdb Thanks for replies so far.... I removed all ligands and then waters - the waters seem to be the problem as the protein model is now refining, do they need to be treated/marked in a different way for phenix? Thanks again, Matt. On 15 Mar 2007, at 13:32, Nicholas Noinaj wrote: > matt, > > can't offer much help, but have you tried to remove the ligand and > try refinement? it would let you know if the pdb file or the > presence of the ligand is the problem. at least let you would know > where you should focus your attention. > > if all else fails, have you tried getting parameters for your > ligand from the PRODRG Server and using that for inputing the > ligand parameters into phenix.refine directly when you setup the > refinement job? (I think i have done this before???) > > here is the website in case you aren't familiar... > http://davapc1.bioch.dundee.ac.uk/programs/prodrg/ > > Again, Best of luck! > > > > cheers, > nick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Bowler <mwb(a)mrc-dunn.cam.ac.uk> > To: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:00:42 +0000 > Subject: [phenixbb] phenix.refine problems with my pdb > > Dear All, > I am trying to run phenix.refine but I keep getting the message: > > > Sorry: Fatal problems interpreting PDB file: > Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 308 > Please edit the PDB file to resolve the problems and/or supply a > CIF file with matching restraint definitions. Note that > elbow.builder is available to create restraint definitions. > > I have run my ligands through elbow and used the output .cif but I > still get the same message. I can find no info on this problem in > the manual or the BB, can anyone help? Thanks in advance, yours, > Matt. > > > > > > Matthew Bowler > MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit > Wellcome Trust / MRC Building > Hills Road > Cambridge CB2 2XY > Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 > Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825 > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > > > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb Matthew Bowler MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 2XY Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825

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Few questions
by john kryst 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Hi phenixbb !! I have few questions. 1. Is there any utility in phenix to write out pdb formatted (which is ready to deposit) output file.. like xtal_pdbsubmission utility in CNS. 2. In Autobuild wizard how to ask the program to use the Free R flags present in the file. It always generates new Free R flags during refinement. One general question. Does the rmsd estimation (for eg. rmsd_bonds ) depends on the program we use ?? I have been refining in CNS. then i used Autobuild wizard to build my model. when i went back to cns the rmsd of bond increased (0.0218 A). But phenix.refine says it it 0.007A. Thanks in advance for your kind inputs. regards john

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phenix.refine problems with my pdb
by Matthew Bowler 15 Mar '07

15 Mar '07

Dear All, I am trying to run phenix.refine but I keep getting the message: Sorry: Fatal problems interpreting PDB file: Number of atoms with unknown nonbonded energy type symbols: 308 Please edit the PDB file to resolve the problems and/or supply a CIF file with matching restraint definitions. Note that elbow.builder is available to create restraint definitions. I have run my ligands through elbow and used the output .cif but I still get the same message. I can find no info on this problem in the manual or the BB, can anyone help? Thanks in advance, yours, Matt. Matthew Bowler MRC Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 2XY Tel: 0044 (0) 1223 252826 Fax: 0044 (0) 1223 252825

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Two groups per residue and multiple trajectories for simulated annealing
by Stephen Graham 03 Mar '07

03 Mar '07

Hi all, I am taking my first tentative steps into the world of phenix.refine with a somewhat problematic 3 A data set and I had a few questions that Google couldn't answer. I am running phenix.refine version 1.24.1b (intel-linux-2.6) from the command line. Firstly, is it possible to do 'grouped' adp refinement with 2 groups per residue (like the good old bgroup.inp of CNS)? Secondly, is it possible to specify multiple starting trajectories for simulated annealing? I often find it handy to do 10 runs of simulated annealing and overlay the output co-ordinates to see where the 'wobbly' bits are. Lastly, can the latest version of phenix.refine do SA omit maps? Thanks, Stephen P.S. My .def file is the default (from phenix.refine --dry-run) w/ the following changes: 86,87c86,87 < refine_adp_individual = True < refine_adp_group = False --- > refine_adp_individual = False > refine_adp_group = True 92c92 < simulated_annealing = False --- > simulated_annealing = True -- Dr Stephen Graham Nuffield Medical Fellow Division of Structural Biology Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics Roosevelt Drive Oxford OX3 7BN United Kingdom Phone: +44 1865 287 549

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Phased anomalous difference map
by Luca Jovine 28 Feb '07

28 Feb '07

Hello, Is it possible to calculate a phased anomalous difference map with phenix.refine? Thanks, Luca

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