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phenix.refine output map format
by Paul Emsley 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Dear Phenixers, Is is possible for phenix.refine to output a ccp4 map? If so, how? Thanks, Paul.

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elbow
by chern 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Dear all, could I use eLBOW to create a .cif file for a B-DNA to restrain sugar puckers? Maia

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sugar puckering in DNA
by Maia Cherney 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Hi Yu Seon. I would appreciate it very much if you send me your added restraints to the cif file. Maia YS. Chung wrote: > Hi Maia, > I had the same problem when I was refining with phenix. I ended up > looking at the torsions that were used in 3DNA (the program I used to > analyze the puckerings) and manually added the restraints to the .cif > files used in phenix. I can send you an example if you'd like. The > puckerings improved a lot when I used the modified .cif files. > Yu Seon > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:43:44 -0600 > "chern" <chern(a)ualberta.ca> wrote: > >> Sorry, I gave a wrong subject name in my previous e-mails. Should've >> been sugar puckering in DNA. >> I am wondering why the default .cif file for DNA does not include all >> >> information about sugar puckers. >> I do not have some fancy nucleotides. They are regular. >> >> Maia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve" >> <rwgk(a)cci.lbl.gov> >> To: <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] elbow >> >> >> >>>> The answer is yes but there may be better options. Ralf is the >>>> >> best >> >>>> person to answer this question but one option is to start with the >>>> >> .cif >> >>>> file in the monomer library. >>>> >>> This is more a chemistry question than a formatting question. >>> Since I'm not deeply familiar with the DNA chemistry, I was >>> >> pointing >> >>> Maia to phenixbb in hopes that someone may already have figured out >>> the list of torsion angle restraints to fix sugar puckers. >>> >>> What Maia really wants is: >>> >>> >>>> could you please send me a specific example of how to modify a cif >>>> >> file >> >>>> to specify the sugar puckers in DNA (I want them C2'-endo). >>>> >>> Has anyone on this list done this already? >>> >>> Ralf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> phenixbb mailing list >>> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >>> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> > >

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix.autobuild
by Matthew Chu 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Thank you for the detailed information Tom, my autobuild job is actually running properly! Just some more minors questions: 1. AutoBuild Wizard will use phenix.elbow to generate geometries for any ligands that are not recognized, but how can I find out which ligands that can actually be recognized by phenix? Or to be save, we better run elbow to generate the libraries for every single ligands? 2. eLBOW can automatically add hydrogens to the input molecules if there are less than a quarter of the possible hydrogens, however this command doesn't work: phenix.elbow input_file.pdb --add-hydrogens=True, and I can't find this option under the elbow manual? And actually I would like to remove those hydrogens so it should be "add-hydrogens=false"? I am now using phenix-1.3-rc2. Thanks again! Matt -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew LH Chu PhD Student School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Manchester ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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NAG-ASN link geometry
by nihmayerm 23 Oct '08

23 Oct '08

We are refining a 2.7 A structure with multiple ASN-NAG links using phenix-1.3-final. The torsion angle between the Asn amide and the sugar is quite variable, while from the chemistry of this link we would expect a value close to 180°, as reported in the PDB survey by Imberty & Perez (Protein Engineering 8:669-709). A quick look at some entries in the PDB revealed close to textbook geometry for the NAG-ASN link in structures around 1Å resolution (e.g. 1UWC) and gets much worse in some lower resolution structures, including those refined with PHENIX. The NAG-ASN link used by PHENIX does not contain a torsion angle definition, and I would like to ask (i) if its appropriate to use one in refinement, and if so (2) could people share their cif file for this link. Thanks - MLM

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optimize weights error
by Sean Johnson 23 Oct '08

23 Oct '08

I just tried optimizing weights in phenix.refine using optimize_wxc=true and optimize_wxu=true in the command line. I got the following error: ----------xray term weight optimization (wxc)---------- Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 82, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1150, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect = call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 446, in refinement_machine log = log) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 252, in __init__ self.wxc_optimization() File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc5/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 507, in wxc_optimization wxc = self.holder.wxc AttributeError: weight instance has no attribute 'holder' Any suggestions? Thanks, Sean -- Sean Johnson, PhD R. Gaurth Hansen Assistant Professor Utah State University Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry 0300 Old Main Hill Logan, UT 84322-0300 (435) 797-2089 (435) 797-3390 (fax) sean.johnson(a)usu.edu

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phenix.autobuild
by Matthew Chu 22 Oct '08

22 Oct '08

Dear all, I tried to rebuild my structure from a refined model (by refmac) by phenix.autobuild. I am not sure if it runs properly since this is my first time to run this module....it took like almost a day to just finish the run_1 (there should be five runs by default?), which means it will take me another 4 days to finish the whole thing. My protein has around 350 residues and in the refined model, I have omitted some loops (about 80 residues) because I cannot see the electron density of those regions. I have put the seq.dat file with the full sequence (~350 residues) and the commands "place_water=Yes" and "s_annealing=True". The resolution is 2.4 A. Should it be taken so long to run? Thanks in advance! Kind regards, Matt -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matthew LH Chu PhD Student School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Manchester ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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phenix.pdbtools question
by Simon Kolstoe 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

Dear phenix list, I am wanting to model a poly-proline structure. I created the file in PyMOL, saved it as a pdb, and then tried to regularize it with: phenix.pdbtools polypro.pdb --geometry_regularization However the program reported (snipped to the last few lines): ATOM 63 CD PRO 6 -3.290 3.487 -2.968 1.00 0.00 C ATOM 69 2HD PRO 6 -2.824 2.626 -3.453 1.00 0.00 H Distance model: 1.09209 (ideal: 0.97) ATOM 63 CD PRO 6 -3.290 3.487 -2.968 1.00 0.00 C ATOM 70 3HD PRO 6 -4.165 3.171 -2.396 1.00 0.00 H Distance model: 1.44721 (ideal: 1.473) ATOM 57 N PRO 6 -2.321 4.145 -2.118 1.00 0.00 N ATOM 63 CD PRO 6 -3.290 3.487 -2.968 1.00 0.00 C Distance model: 1.53855 (ideal: 1.525) ATOM 58 CA PRO 6 -1.810 5.407 -2.632 1.00 0.00 C ATOM 59 C PRO 6 -2.332 6.603 -1.817 1.00 0.00 C Distance model: 1.23088 (ideal: 1.231) ATOM 59 C PRO 6 -2.332 6.603 -1.817 1.00 0.00 C ATOM 60 O PRO 6 -3.080 6.424 -0.856 1.00 0.00 O Sorry: Number of bonds with excessive lengths: 74 I thought the whole purpose of geometry regularization was to get rid of excessive lengths, not just tell me they are there!! How do I get the program to really regularize my geometry? Thanks, Simon

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phenix.reduce (v1.3) changes
by Mark Collins 21 Oct '08

21 Oct '08

Hi Did the --ALLALT command change. I thought the --help gave the flag description as "builds hydrogens for all conformations" but no it says "process adjustments for all conformations" And by default (-ONLYA) so I only have conf A with hydrogens using the --ALLALT flag. Long and short of it I think something is up? Thanks Mark

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postdoc position in LBNL
by Peter Zwart 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

Dear All, We would like to bring the following postdoctoral research position to your attention. Within Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, we have an opening for a postdoc to work on the development of new software for the analysis of small angle X-ray scattering (SAXS) data. The availability of user friendly, robust software analysis tools for SAXS data is of growing importance as the biological community is increasingly using SAXS as a standard method to analyze complex biological systems. We are developing a new set of tools, including a software library, for SAXS data analysis. The successful candidate will have the opportunity to work with experienced software developers in the field of biophysics and interact with users and beamline staff on SAXS beamline 7.3.3 at the Advanced Light Source (ALS) in Berkeley California. Interested candidates can contact me (Peter Zwart, PHZwart(a)lbl.gov) for more details, or visit the LBL job site at: http://jobs.lbl.gov/ Sincerely, Peter Zwart -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- P.H. Zwart Beamline Scientist Berkeley Center for Structural Biology Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories 1 Cyclotron Road, Berkeley, CA-94703, USA Cell: 510 289 9246 BCSB: http://bcsb.als.lbl.gov PHENIX: http://www.phenix-online.org CCTBX: http://cctbx.sf.net -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Twin refinement with anomalous pairs
by Francis E Reyes 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

All How does phenix.refine handle the twin refinement target when refining against F+/F-? I'm specifically asking for the proper assignment of F +/F- for twin related reflections (e.g. 10.1107/S0907444902021704). My data is currently in P41 with friedel pairs as output by scala. Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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Re: [phenixbb] sa_omit-map
by mathieu Coincon 18 Oct '08

18 Oct '08

Hi, omit-map works fine for me but I have two items on my wish list. 1) Can we compute a difference-map (mFo-DFc map instead of 2mFo-DFc map) ? 2) Is it possible to play with the size of the area omitted around the selection ? Thanks again. A true phenix-fan -------------- Mathieu Coincon PhD Student Universite de Montreal Biochemistry 514-343-6111 #5352

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phenix.refine: including modifications
by Patrick Loll 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi all, I'm starting to use phenix.refine and have some questions about defining modifications during refinement: I want to refine a structure that includes several alpha-D-mannose residues. I see that mon_lib_list.cif contains, under the "LIST OF RECOGNIZED MODIFIED MONOMERS," the following line: MAN-a-D MAN-b-D SUG-a-D MAN alpha_D_mannose D-pyranose Question: Where/how do I invoke this modification? I.e., how do I tell the refinement program that a particular sugar is an alpha, and not a beta, mannose? Clearly I can't label the residue MAN-a-D in the PDB file, as this would step on the chain identifier. I'm guessing that I label each sugar MAN in the PDB file, and then insert some instructions about applying the modification in the CIF file that I supply to the refinement program. However, I'm not able to find an example of the appropriate syntax. Thanks, Pat Loll ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Patrick J. Loll, Ph. D. Professor of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Director, Biochemistry Graduate Program Drexel University College of Medicine Room 10-102 New College Building 245 N. 15th St., Mailstop 497 Philadelphia, PA 19102-1192 USA (215) 762-7706 pat.loll(a)drexelmed.edu

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Hydrogen occupancy issue?
by Mischa Machius 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi - I have a problem regarding occupancies of hydrogens in residues with alternate conformations. Specifically, when a residue exists in alternate conformations, the H hydrogen of the following residue (the one attached to the N) also exists in the same number of alternate locations. The occupancies of these hydrogens do not add up to 1.00 like the occupancies of the hydrogens for the preceding residue do. In fact, these occupancies are all 1.00. Is that a bug, a feature, or did I commit a user error somehow? Example: ... ATOM 956 H AHIS A 293 6.967 -36.722 8.227 1.00 15.31 H ATOM 957 H BHIS A 293 6.913 -36.667 8.216 1.00 15.31 H ATOM 958 H CHIS A 293 6.888 -36.648 8.202 1.00 15.31 H ... The preceding Ser A 292 exists in three alternate conformations with occupancies A=0.53, B=0.18, C=0.29; sum = 1.00 The corresponding hydrogens have occupancies A=0.52, B=0.19, C=0.29; sum = 1.00 (I can accept that they have somewhat different occupancies than the attached heavy atoms, based on a previous thread about this issue, although the discrepancies are now much smaller in the 1.3- final version compared to 1.3-rc2) The H hydrogens of the following residue (His A 293) have occupancies A=1.00, B=1.00, C=1.00; sum = 3.00, and the RCSB starts yelling. Should I just manually edit the values and set them to the occupancies of the hydrogens in the preceding residue? Any help appreciated. Thanks so much. Best - MM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mischa Machius, PhD Associate Professor Department of Biochemistry UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.; ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816; U.S.A. Tel: +1 214 645 6381 Fax: +1 214 645 6353

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Weighted phase combination in phenix.refine?
by Francis E Reyes 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi all I have experimental phases and a preliminary model. Will phenix.refine do phase combination while weighting the experimental phase and model phases (which also has NCS) ? By default? Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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high temperature factor refinement
by allbette＠gmail.com 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi All, I just refined a structure at 2.95A and getting a good R-work and R-free(0.236 and 0.274). When I checked the PDB, I found many residues have high temperature factor over 100. How can I use Phenix or CNS fix those high temperature factor for further refinment? Thank you Jason

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Re: [phenixbb] sa_omit-map -- it's fine
by Thomas C. Terwilliger 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi again Pavel and Vladimir, The omit maps are fine. I'm sorry for the false alarm; I had run a tiny test structure with too few omit boxes so that the omitted regions were way too much of the structure and it looked really bad. Using more omit regions fixed the problem. A regular structure (nsf-d2 from the PHENIX structure library) gets a fine sa-omit map with the defaults. A further-improved map can be obtained with a higher-than-default value of "n_box_target=32" (default=12, note that you don't necessarily get exactly the number you ask for as it has to be something that the asymmetric unit can be divided into.) All the best, Tom T Hi Pavel and Vladimir, After all this discussion...I think there is something wrong with the composite omit maps in the current version. They do not finish correctly...I will check this out. If you instead just omit around the atoms in a pdb file with "omit_box_pdb=target.pdb" that seems fine however. I'm sorry for the problem. All the best, Tom T > Hi Tom, > > don't we need to add "maps_only=True" as well (as Manual suggests in section "Just make maps; don't do any building."; > http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/autobuild.htm) ? > > I'm asking because the original question was specific about it: compute map and "nothing extra". > > Thanks, > Pavel. > > On 10/13/2008 2:17 PM, Thomas C. Terwilliger wrote: >> Hi Vladimir, >> You can do this with: >> >> phenix.autobuild data=data.mtz model=coords.pdb >> composite_omit_type=sa_omit nproc=4 >> >> All the best, >> Tom T >> >> >> >>> After phenix.refine stage I would like to get just the sa_omit map for the >>> whole assymetric unit (nothing extra). How can I do it? >>> Regards. >>> Vladimir >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> phenixbb mailing list >>> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >>> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> >

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sa_omit-map
by pletnev＠hwi.buffalo.edu 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

After phenix.refine stage I would like to get just the sa_omit map for the whole assymetric unit (nothing extra). How can I do it? Regards. Vladimir

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Reporting phasing statistics.
by Francis E Reyes 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

So normally when I run autosol, my primary indicator of 'goodness' would be the SKEW, but in reporting to papers, it seems that the MIR statistics involve Rcullis, phasing power, and FOM. I can find FOM from solve_x.prt and resolve_x.log but where are the others? Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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? about optimize weights
by gerwald jogl 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

Hi All, I just started using phenix.refine and it's working quite well so far. I ran the optimize weight strategy at the end of a test refinement and it lowered the Rfree as intended. Unfortunately, when I ran the next refine job based on the output .def file, it seems that the 'best weights' found in the previous run were not conserved as the geometry and R factors got a lot worse. Where can I find the weights determined by the optimize run and how can I fix those for further refinement? Thanks, Gerwald

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helix deformed during refinement in phenix
by Raja Dey 13 Oct '08

13 Oct '08

Dear All, I am using phenix to refine a long helix of about 120 residues in a complex structure, but in course of refinement the helix becoming distorted from helical geometry. As a result when I am displaying the refined structure in pymol as cartoon one long helix showed 3/4 discontinuous helices in a single chain. Is there any way to constrain or restrain the helix during refinement, so that refinement process can maintain the helical geometry? Any suggestion is well appreciated. With regards... Raja Raja Dey, Ph.D. Research Associate Molecular and Computational Biology University of Southern California

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detwin data
by HUA YUAN 13 Oct '08

13 Oct '08

Dear Phenix community, I've used the phenix.refine with its detwin function. Is there any way to have a detwinned data output so that I can use it for other things. I tried use CCP4 detwin with the same twin law and twin fraction obtained from Phenix. However, this didn't work. Another question is whether I can use "some" phase information, say from DM into Phenix? I tried to include the PHIDM but Phenix complained about it saying "wrong array". Any suggestions or comments are hightly appreciated! Thanks, Hua

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Re: [phenixbb] Files generated in Autobuild from simulated annealing runs
by Tom Terwilliger 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Hi Rebecca, I'm sorry this didn't get answered on the phenix_bb! I somehow missed it too. When you run an omit map with model=mymodel.pdb omit_box_pdb=mymodel.pdb omit_res_start_list=500 omit_res_end_list=500 the autobuild wizard edits mymodel.pdb, setting the occupancies of all atoms that are within a box enclosing the atoms in residue 500 of mymodel.pdb (plus a 2 A border) to zero. Then it runs the cycles of autobuild you specify (in this case just a SA step), and produces a density-modified map (resolve_composite_map.mtz) using the resulting model to generate phase information (and keeping the occupancies of these atoms at zero). If mydata.mtz contains phase information, that is used as well. The output map is in resolve_composite_map.mtz and a pseudo-map showing where the OMIT region(s) is(are) located is in omit_region.mtz The file overall_best_denmod_map_coeff.mtz is actually not really relevant or useful when you are doing OMIT maps because it is just one of the intermediate files that are produced. In this particular example it will be identical to resolve_composite_map.mtz but if you do other types of OMIT maps it won't be the same. I changed the output of the autobuild wizard recently, so you might want to upgrade to the 1.3-final version. The end of the log file in this case should say: -------------------------------------------------- Summary of model-building for run 1 Tue Oct 7 08:17:30 2008 Files are in the directory: /net/chevy/raid1/terwill/misc/test/ AutoBuild_run_1_/ Starting mtz file: /net/chevy/raid1/terwill/misc/test/perfect.mtz Sequence file: /net/chevy/raid1/terwill/misc/test/seq.dat Composite omit map is in : /net/chevy/raid1/terwill/misc/test/ AutoBuild_run_1_/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz Boundaries of omit regions are in : /net/chevy/raid1/terwill/misc/test/ AutoBuild_run_1_/OMIT/omit_region.mtz -------------------------------------------------- Which I hope is clearer than earlier output in which the overall_best_denmod_map_coeff.mtz file is mentioned but is irrelevant. I hope that helps! All the best, Tom T On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:19 AM, Page, Rebecca wrote: > Hi Tom, > I posted the question on the phenix bb and, when I got no response, > shot an email over to Frank von Delft, an old friend, to see if he > knew answer. > > He didn’t, but recommended I email you directly and to “ask him to > post the answer on the general bb :)”. He also mentioned he hadn’t > seen the post on the phenix bb and I would be interested to know if > you did not see it either (I received it). > > At any rate, here it goes: > > > I am newcomer to phenix and have a rookie question about the > generated > > files using the phenix.autobuild command. I generated an sa-omit map > > of my model, omitting the coordinates for a bound ligand (ligand is > > residue > > 500): > > > > phenix.autobuild data=mydata.mtz model=mymodel.pdb > > omit_box_pdb=mymodel.pdb omit_res_start_list=500 > omit_res_end_list=500 > > omit_chain_list=A composite_omit_type=sa_omit > > > > The output omit map (resolve_composite_map.mtz) looks great. > > > > > > My question is: > > What, exactly, is the "overall_best_denmod_map_coeff.mtz" in this > case > > and how is it related, if at all, to the > "resolve_composite_map.mtz"? > > > Thanks for your help, > Rebecca > > Rebecca Page > Brown University >

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Files generated in Autobuild from simulated annealing runs
by Page, Rebecca 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Dear Phenix users: I am newcomer to phenix and have a rookie question about the generated files using the phenix.autobuild command. I generated an sa-omit map of my model, omitting the coordinates for a bound ligand (ligand is residue 500): phenix.autobuild data=mydata.mtz model=mymodel.pdb omit_box_pdb=mymodel.pdb omit_res_start_list=500 omit_res_end_list=500 omit_chain_list=A composite_omit_type=sa_omit The output omit map (resolve_composite_map.mtz) looks great. My question is: What, exactly, is the "overall_best_denmod_map_coeff.mtz" in this case and how is it related, if at all, to the "resolve_composite_map.mtz"? Thanks in advance, Rebecca

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phenix.refine v.1.3 vs 1.24
by Leo Sazanov 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

When refining the same (large) molecule in several different crystal forms at about 3.1 A resolution, I noticed that in two cases when experimental phase information is available, in phenix.refine-1.3 I get worse Ramachandran compared to phenix.refine-1.24 - about 2% less residues in most favored regions. In one case when there is no experimental phase information, there is no difference between two phenix versions. What could be the reason for that? These comparisons where done for cases when final RMSDs and R-factors are similar (and all RMSDs calculated in v.1.3), so automatic weights adjustment in v.1.3 should not have played much role. Adding to other people's comments, it would be useful to be able to switch this adjustment off, as sometimes one wants full control over final RMSDs, etc. Thanks! -- Dr. Leonid A. Sazanov Research group leader Medical Research Council Dunn Human Nutrition Unit Wellcome Trust / MRC Building Hills Road Cambridge CB2 0XY WEB: www.mrc-dunn.cam.ac.uk Tel: +44-1223-252910 Fax: +44-1223-252915

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wxc_scale automatically doubled during the refinement
by yentingl＠gate.sinica.edu.tw 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

Dear phenix users, I've observed that in phenix 1.3 final if I specify wxc_scale the value is automatically doubled in every successive macrocycle. For example if I set wxc_scale=0.9 at the beginning, it becomes 1.8, 3.6, 7.2, 14.4 ... at macrocycle 2, 3, 4, 5 ... Is this normal? This was not found in phenix 1.3 rc4 on the same machine. Thanks! Yen-Ting

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library values for H in phenix.refine and MOLPROBITY
by Pavel Afonine 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

Hi Jianghai, > Another thing about riding H atoms. As I said before, the bond > distance between riding H and its attached atoms is different from > phenix library (ccp4 mono library) to the library MOLPROBITY uses. I > think the distance from MOLPROBITY is longer. The result is that the > structure refined by phenix.refine has a not so good clash score. Is > there a way to keep the distance from phenix.reduce in phenix.refine? Yes, I remember you mentioned this in the past (may be even several times). And this is true: the distances in Mon.Lib. and internal library in Molprobity might be different. Theoretically, longer distances are more correct since they reflect the actual nuclear position (that one can observe in neutron diffraction experiment), while the X-rays show hydrogens shifted along the bond towards the atom they are bonded to. This is why some programs (like SHELX) use shortened distances for X-H bonds and some uses those obtained from neutron scattering. Overall, I agree that the dictionaries must be made consistent within the package - this is something to fix on PHENIX end. Pavel.

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TLS refinement
by HUA YUAN 05 Oct '08

05 Oct '08

Dear Phenix community members, I have a molecular replacement solution refined agains a twinned 2.7 angstrom data to Rfree as 33%, with TLS and twin-law and others as default. The map looks good and shows extra map for my flavin ligand. Then I manually rebuild the model, fixing some obvious off-map residues and put a flavin molecule into the model. After this, I used the *def file from previous run to do another round of refinement. This time the Rfree increased to 36%. I realized that it has something to do with the TLS, isotropic and aniostropic B factor. However, I don't know exactly what's the reason and what to do at this stage. Any comments or suggestions? Should I do TLS refinement at the last step? Thanks and Best Wishes for all, Hua

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AssertionError in refinement
by Raja Dey 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Dear PhenixBB Members, I am getting the following error while I am running the refinement given below: It stopped after a while. I enclosed the last part of the log file. phenix.refine gat.mtz gat-tlsmd.pdb simulated_annealing=true strategy=rigid_body+individual_sites+group_adp+individual_adp+tls tls.params output.prefix=final_1 --overwrite ================================ ADP refinement =============================== ----------TLS refinement---------- |-group b-factor refinement (macro cycle = 0; iterations = 0)-----------------| | r_work = 0.2491 r_free = 0.3251 target = 3.621992 convergence test = off | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-group b-factor refinement (macro cycle = 1; iterations = 15)----------------| | r_work = 0.2437 r_free = 0.3120 target = 3.588460 convergence test = off | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |-Information about rigid groups----------------------------------------------| | Total number of atoms = 1591 Number of rigid groups = 3 | | group: start point: end point: | | x B atom residue <> x B atom residue | | 1: -3.758 92.66 N MET 259 <> 10.389 94.12 CD2 LEU 300 | | 2: 14.264 58.92 N ILE 301 <> 1.800 100.80 O THR 315 | | 3: 1.098 66.36 N SER 316 <> -10.129 70.49 CE MET 368 | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 82, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect=call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1143, in run call_back_after_monitor_collect = call_back_after_monitor_collect) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 549, in refinement_machine h_params = h_params) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/mmtbx/mmtbx/refinement/adp_refinement.py", line 153, in __init__ tools.split_u(fmodels.fmodel_xray().xray_structure, tls_selections, offset) File "/usr/local/phenix-1.3b-rc6/mmtbx/mmtbx/tls/tools.py", line 498, in split_u assert (u_iso < 0.0).count(True) == 0 AssertionError While I can successfully run similar refinement on another project. I have another question. Inclusion of individual_adp in strategy increases R and R(free) in one case(2.8 A data), while decreases in another case (3.6 A data). Both are at the final stage of refinement. Is there any explanation? Looking forward to hearing from you... Thanking you in advance... Raja

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sfcheck & Phenix
by john kryst 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Hi all, I have a little problem... R and R-free from phenix.refine are 22.9 and 30.6 respectively.... when i validated in the rcsb server... sfcheck gave me a R and Rfree of 30.8 and 37.8. I am aware that sfcheck never reproduces the result. but i am worried that the difference is quite large... indeed i have used TLS NCS and bulk solvent correction... Did i do anything wrong... please help me Thanks for your help regards John

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mmCIF format
by Simon Kolstoe 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Is there a simple way of creating an mmCIF formatted structure factor file for pdb deposition from the outputs of a phenix.refine run? Thanks, Simon

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Deborah Palestrant is out of the office.
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

I will be out of the office starting 09/30/2008 and will not return until 10/02/2008.

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error
by Jianghai Zhu 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hi, I got the following error from phenix.refine version 1.3-rc4. iotbx.reflection_file_utils.Sorry_Not_a_suitable_array: Not a suitable array of experimental phases: refineme nt.input.experimental_phases.labels=HLAM,HLBM,HLCM,HLDM What is the problem? -- Jianghai

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Post-doctoral position available with Phaser team
by Randy J. Read 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

We are looking to expand the team developing our program Phaser, for use within both the CCP4 and Phenix packages. Our goals include expanding the functionality to new phasing experiments (in addition to the options for molecular replacement and SAD that exist in the current version), and enhancing the automation of Phaser runs. The ideal applicant would be someone with experience solving macromolecular crystal structures and programming in both C++ and Python. However, if you only have experience in one of those areas, but a strong desire to expand your skills, then you might be the right person. If you're interested, please look at the formal advertisement (http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/offices/hr/jobs/vacancies.cgi?job=4017), and submit an application as described there. I'm also happy to answer any informal enquiries. The position is funded by a grant from the Wellcome Trust, which extends to May 2013. Please note that the closing date for applications is 2 October 2008. Regards, Randy Read

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chainid and segid?
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hi Phenix Community- A very basic question.. Is there an option to have a "segid" automatically generated? (For example, in CNS generate.inp, it was possible to "convert chainid to segid if chainid is non-blank"). Unless I strip out the segid completely, I am running into problems when I add residues using Coot (which adds chainid, but not segid) and then follow up with refinement in Phenix. Thanks for your input, Deb Deborah Palestrant, PhD Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research CPC, Protein Structure Unit USCA, 600-6C343 Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research, Inc. 250 Massachusetts Avenue Cambridge, MA 02139 USA Phone: +1 617 8713565 Email : deborah.palestrant(a)novartis.com _________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the exclusive use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the material from any computer. Thank you.

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Simon Holton ist außer Haus.
by simon.holton＠bayerhealthcare.com 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Ich werde ab 23.09.2008 nicht im Büro sein. Ich kehre zurück am 24.09.2008. Ich werde Ihre Nachricht nach meiner Rückkehr beantworten.

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memory error
by Anastasia A Aksyuk 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hello everyone! I have the following error when using phenix-1.3-final: /========================== Target weights: x-ray data ========================= Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/command_line/refine.py", line 5, in <module> command_line.run(command_name="phenix.refine", args=sys.argv[1:]) File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/command_line.py", line 89, in run File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/driver.py", line 1081, in run File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/strategies.py", line 472, in refinement_machine File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 264, in __init__ File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 307, in xyz_weights File "/usr/local/rossmann.master/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/phenix/phenix/refinement/weight_xray_chem.py", line 196, in __init__ File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/__init__.py", line 72, in update_xray_structure force_update_f_mask = force_update_f_mask) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/f_model.py", line 675, in update_xray_structure force_update = force_update_f_mask) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 207, in f_mask return self.compute_f_mask() File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 222, in compute_f_mask miller_set = self.miller_array) File "/usr/local/rossmann/phenix/phenix-1.3-final/mmtbx/mmtbx/masks.py", line 138, in structure_factors flex.grid(fft_manager.m_real()).set_focus(fft_manager.n_real())) MemoryError /I am running with defaults, i.e. the following command: phenix.refine se.water2.noano_001-2acetate-noH-coot-0.pdb cr2remote.cr3.1.8-2_scaleit1.mtz ray_data.r_free_flags.test_flag_value=1 output.prefix=se.noano2.acetate refinement.input.xray_data.labels="F_peak(+),SIGF_peak(+),F_peak(-),SIGF_peak(-),merged" I would greatly appreciate your help to resolve this issue and I can provide any additional information needed. Thank you, Anastasia

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phenix 1.3-rc4 vs. phenix 1.3-final
by Jianghai Zhu 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

Hi, I have done a couple of refinements using either phenix.refine 1.3-rc4 or phenix.refine 1.3-final. And phenix.refine 1.3-rc4 always gave me a lower Rfree, about 1% lower than phenix.refine 1.3-final, which actually is pretty big. What has changed between this two versions? -- Jianghai

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Deborah Palestrant is out of the office.
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

I will be out of the office starting 09/16/2008 and will not return until 09/18/2008. I will be checking email and will respond to your message at my earliest convenience.

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Anomalous difference map file
by Andrzej Lyskowski 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Hi, Is it possible to write an anomalous difference map file and not just the coefficients in the mtz file? Would it be possible to get a short instructions for the operations... Regards, Andrzej Lyskwoski -- Andrzej LYSKOWSKI, Ph.D. (andrzej[.]lyskowski[(a)]helsinki[.]fi) Institute of Biotechnology - Structural Biology & Biophysics P. O. Box 65 - Viikinkaari 1 - Floor/Room: 4/4316 Mail: FIN-00014 University of HELSINKI, FINLAND Delivery: FIN-00710 University of HELSINKI, FINLAND TEL.: 358 9 191 58921 FAX : 358 9 191 59940

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phenix autobuild question
by Alex Berndt 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Dear phenix community, I started an AutoBuild run using the phenix GUI (ver 1.3 rc4) on a linux cluster. It worked okay and all the refinement looked pretty decent. However, after quite a while I obtained the following error message (see below). Would anyone please tell me what to do to prevent this error and get phenix get its job finished? Also, I don't understand why phenix AutoBuild creates 5 (or whatever number) AutoBuild_run_x in the AutoBuild-run_1/TEMP0 directory and not two dirs up in the tree. In other words in my /someplace/home/someuser/ work/someproject/phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0 directory are more AutoBuild_run_x_ directories (with x=1 to 5). It is a bit confusing to me. A final question: I realised that the phenix.refine drastically increases the number of outliers. I know that thare is a weighting term someplace ... but what was it again? Many thanks in advance, Alex warnings Failed to carry out AutoBuild_multiple_models: Sorry, subprocess failed...message is: ******************************************************************************** phenix.autobuild \ write_run_directory_to_file=/someplace/home/someuser/work/someproject/ phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0/INFO_FILE_1 Reading effective parameters from /someplace/home/someuser/work/ someproject/phenix2/AutoBuild_run_1_/TEMP0/PARAMS_1.eff Sending output to AutoBuild_run_1_/AutoBuild_run_1_1.log ******************************************************************************** Failed to carry out AutoBuild_build_cycle: failure ******************************************************************************** ******************************************************************************** work_pdb_file "AutoBuild_run_1_/edited_pdb.pdb" working_directory "/someplace/home/someuser/work/someproject/phenix2" worst_percent_res_rebuild 2.0 --------------------------------------------------- Alex Berndt MRC-Laboratory of Molecular Biology Hills Road Cambridge, CB2 0QH U.K. phone: +44 (0)1223 402113 ---------------------------------------------------

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BEAM TIME AVAILABLE FOR MACROMOLECULAR CRYSTALOGRAPHY
by Cyndi Salbego 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

BEAM TIME AVAILABLE FOR MACROMOLECULAR CRYSTALLOGRAPHY AT THE TWO ID BEAMLINES OF NE-CAT AT APS. Beamline 24ID-C: Variable energy between 6-18keV, ADSC Q315 Detector, MAD Capable. Beamline 24ID-E: Equipped with MD2 microdiffractometer, delivering beam as small as 5 microns. Single energy (12662eV), ADSC Q315 Detector. Contact csalbego(a)anl.gov for further details. See http://necat.chem.cornell.edu for information on our beamlines and a calendar of available days.

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link in a double conformation residue
by mvliberato＠ursa.ifsc.usp.br 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Dear all, I'm refining a protein structure with a cysteine covalently bonded with a fatty acid. However, this cysteine has a double conformation. I try to make a link with "cif_link.params", but I don't know how to describe the double conformation. How can I make this link between the fatty acid oxigen and the sulfur of the cysteine in one of the conformations? Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks Marcelo Marcelo Vizoná Liberato, Ms Physics Institute of São Carlos - USP São Carlos, Brazil ---------------------------------------------------------------- WEBMAIL - IFSC - Instituto de FÃsica de SÃ£o Carlos

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Odd twinning issue (or maybe all twinning issues are odd by default)
by Francis E Reyes 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

All I had a structure that seemed perfectly twinned in P41 21 2, completely built to the observable density (no peaks in 2Fo-Fc map over 2sigma) and refined to 33/35 (R/Rfree). I indexed, scaled, and merged the original unmerged data to P41, molecular replaced using the above model. Three rounds of rigid body refinement of the MR solution with group adp's dropped R/Rfree to 28/30 (while generating new free R flags based on the P41 data). The resolution was to 2.5 so I skipped the NCS. Now I try to do a second round of refinement with this time individual_sites and individual_adps with no change to the input model. The final R/Rfree's are now in the 50's? Am I missing something (fundamental) ? Thanks FR --------------------------------------------- Francis Reyes M.Sc. 215 UCB University of Colorado at Boulder gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 67BA8D5D 8AE2 F2F4 90F7 9640 28BC 686F 78FD 6669 67BA 8D5D

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difficulties with autoMR
by Feldman III, George Franklin 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

I am trying to run phenix.automr on what I believe is perhaps a perfectly twinned data set, at 3A resolution. It is in space group 146 and according to the matthews has 3 molecules in the asu. This is a mutant of an orriginally published structure in which only one residue has been mutated (but crystallizes in a different space group). When I give the autoMR the following input: phenix.automr coords="MR.1.pdb" data=dtscale.ref resolution=0 component_type=protein identity="95" mass=13900 build=False copies=3 seq.dat I get an LLG of 37 and the run goes quite quickly. The speed of the run itself leads me to believe that I have a correct solution regardless of the slightly low LLG, but when I open the .pdb output file there is only one molecule in the asu. Am I doing something incorrectly? Why is there only one molecule instead of 3 in the asu, and how can I go about getting the other two to appear? I did let the program go ahead run autobuild, this resulted in a structure with an r_work:.5448 and r_free:.6005. I am relatively new to crystallography, but these values seem rather high to be a good starting point for refinement. I would appreciate any advice that might help me move on with my structure. Attached is the log file from phenix.xtriage in case it may be of any help. Thank you, in advance, for all of your help and advice. Best Regards, George F. Feldman

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Re: [phenixbb] cci_apps on irix
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

On 22 Aug 2008 o.h.weiergraeber(a)fz-juelich.de wrote: > I am just compiling the latest cci_apps package for the IRIX > platform. I know this is unsupported, but since the package is very > self-contained, I would not expect major problems with the command-line > packages (who needs a gui, anyway ;)) > I'm just running into two issues with the boost package which are > obviously a matter of syntax: Our IRIX machine is up again, and - to my surprise - the current CCI Apps compiled without errors. The IRIX binary bundle is available again at the usual place: http://www.phenix-online.org/download/cci_apps/ Ralf

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selection usage
by Mark Collins 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Hi All, The current phenix 1.3 release automatically selects alternate conformations when refine *occupancy is selected. How do I select a loop region (in low density) to refine the loop occupancy without messing up the auto selection? Thanks in advance, Mark

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Deborah Palestrant is out of the office.
by deborah.palestrant＠novartis.com 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

I will be out of the office starting 09/04/2008 and will not return until 09/08/2008.

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Re: [phenixbb] sugar links
by Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi Morten, > Why isn't it included in the standard set btw? Sorry, too many bigger things to take care off right now. But Garib told me he'll move the monomer library to a Google source server, which should make it much more practical to collectively work on changes like the one you're requesting. Ralf

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Re: [phenixbb] Real Space R value
by Thomas C. Terwilliger 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi Matthew, You can also use phenix.get_cc_mtz_pdb with a ligand...it should treat the ligand as a single residue. Mark also asked offline about alternate conformations...here is my answer to that: If there is only on N for each residue, it will average over all atoms in all conformations. If there are multiple N atoms, and all atoms for each conformer are grouped, it will write out the residue twice. If there are multiple N atoms and they are interspersed, it will give an incorrect answer (it will write out the residue twice but the cc values will not be for the two conformers). All the best, Tom T > Hi, > Yes, you can use phenix.get_cc_mtz_pdb (see phenix.doc) > > But I wonder if there is a way to get CC value for a ligand or a metal > ion too ?? > > Nigel ??? > >> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:18:59 -0400 >> From: "nih\mayerm" <mayerm(a)mail.nih.gov> >> Subject: [phenixbb] Real Space R value >> To: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> Message-ID: <FEAAD2DC-1906-4194-881B-CA83B48E8043(a)mail.nih.gov> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> >> Is it possible to calculate a list of Real Space R values for >> structures refined with phenix.refine ? >> If so advice on how to do this would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks - Mark Mayer >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >

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