Hi Oliv,

I now see the problem... It is a bug in phenix.refine that we fixed sometime ago and the next PHENIX release will have it.

If you go into your .def file and replace "minimization_b_cart = False" with "minimization_b_cart = True" that will fix the problem.

If you see something like this in future, always make sure that "minimization_b_cart = True" in your input parameter file.

Please let me know if this helped or if you have any other problems.

Pavel.


On 1/30/2009 4:47 PM, Oliv Eidam wrote:
Hi Pavel,

Yes, I am specifiying .def files in the commands. The commands used are:
1) phenix.refine input.mtz input.pdb strategy=rigid_body
2) phenix.refine input_refine_002.def simulated_annealing=true
3) phenix.refine input_refine_003.def ordered_solvent=true

I send you the .def and .log files in a separate email.

Thanks, Oliv


Pavel Afonine wrote:
Hi Oliv,

I have a guess about what is wrong, but before I say it, could you 
please send us the exact command you are using. IF you are specifying a 
.def or .eff file in the command line, could you please send this .eff 
or .def files as well.

Pavel.

On 1/30/2009 4:02 PM, Oliv Eidam wrote:
  
Hi,

I am currently refining a good 1.6 Angstroem data set using Phenix. 
Thereby I noticed a significant difference of R-free (>3%) depending on 
whether I used phenix version 1.3-rc6 (installed on my Mac laptop) or 
phenix version 1.4-3 (installed on my linux work station). Rfree differs 
by more than 3% (!) although I am using the same starting model, the 
same reflection file and the same refinement protocol (shown at the end 
of this email with detailed R and R-free factors for the 3 steps).
In my opinion, my phenix 1.4-3 installation has a problem in the "bulk 
solvent modeling and scaling" steps. Indeed, I find in the log file that 
the "overall anisotropic scale matrix" shows all values set to zero. 
Analogous the "maximum likelihood estimate for coordinate error". This 
is true in all steps where an "overall anisotropic scale matrix" is 
calculated.
Here is one example during 1.4-3 refinement:

====================== bulk solvent modeling and scaling 
======================

|--(resolution: 1.61 - 29.59 A; n_refl. = 
99535)------------------------------|
|                                                                             
|
| r_work= 0.3419   r_free= 0.3358   ksol= 0.39   Bsol= 19.12   scale= 
1.247   |
|                                                                             
|
| overall anisotropic scale matrix (Cartesian basis; 
B11,B22,B33,B12,B13,B23):|
| (0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00); trace/3= 
0.00                              |
|                                                                             
|
| maximum likelihood estimate for coordinate error:  -0.00 
A                  |
| x-ray target function (ml) for work reflections: 
5.981207                   |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

The same example during 1.3-rc6 refinement:

===================== bulk solvent correction and scaling 
=====================

|-macro cycle = 1-(resolution: 1.61 - 29.59 A; n_refl. = 
99537)---------------|
|                                                                             
|
| r_work= 0.3153   r_free= 0.3064   ksol= 0.40   Bsol= 43.79   scale= 
1.087   |
|                                                                             
|
| overall anisotropic scale matrix (Cartesian basis; 
B11,B22,B33,B12,B13,B23):|
| (-4.01,-5.36,-8.20,-0.00,2.74,0.00); trace/3= 
-5.86                         |
|                                                                             
|
| maximum likelihood estimate for coordinate error: 0.33 
A                    |
| x-ray target function (ml) for work reflections: 
5.946583                   |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

I am asking now: Did something go wrong during my Phenix installation? I 
already re-installed Phenix (no errors): same result. Do I have to 
change something in my input files? I should probably mention that 
"bulk_solvent_and_scale = True" in my input .def files.

Any help appreciated. Many thanks,

  Oliv


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Refinement protocol and development of R and Rfree during each 
refinement round:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1)Rigid body refinement
2) Simulated annealing (5000K)
3) Ordered solvent (plus annealing @ 2000K)

phenix version 1.3-rc6:
1) R=31.5, Rf=30.6
2) R=23.9, Rf=25.8
3) R=19.8, Rf=22.0

phenix version 1.4-3:
1) R=31.6, Rf=30.6
2) R=27.8, Rf=29.8
3) R=23.7, Rf=25.2


  
    
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