2008/3/2, Randy J. Read
In addition to what has been suggested, another option is to merge the data in P1 and look for 8 copies. Now that you have a reasonable refined model from the monoclinic solution, this should find a solution. Then you can look for the symmetry in the molecular replacement solution to decide what symmetry is crystallographic. An easy shortcut is to run a self-rotation function on the Fcalcs from the model. (At the moment, I think you'll have to go outside Phenix to do that -- we're intending to put a self-rotation function into Phaser but it's still on the to-do list!)
Actually, you can run xtriage on your calculated data and get merging stats for crystallographic sym. ops. : much easier to interpret ascompared to a self rotation (and done for you!). Alternatively, you can get aproximate operators using phenix.simple_ncs_from_pdb. This might bit prove a bit of a hassle though. hth P
Regards
Randy Read
On Mar 2 2008, Pascal EGEA wrote:
Hi All
This a question of general Crystallography and use of Phenix to deal with twinned data.
I am having difficulties with a data set. We have data (2.6 ang resolution) that can be scaled and reduced in P222 with a Rmerge of 7%, the systematic absences show a screw axis ( it is P22(1)2). However MR in Phaser failed in this orthorhombic settings when searching for 2 molecules of the complex in the AU. If we reduce and scale the data in P2(1) and look at the diffraction pattern in HKLVIEW there is a /mmm symmetry. In the monoclinic P2(1) setting we can find 4 molecules of the complex (by MR in Phaser) and can refine it with Phenix to a Rfac/Rfree of 28%/34%. 2 molecules have good electron density whereas the two other ones have one of their domain very poorly defined in density. This is looking very suspicious to me and I am wondering if this refined structure is partially wrong?
Meanwhile I used phenix.triage on the data processed in P222 and I am confused with the output.
##----------------------------------------------------## ## Twinning Analyses ## ##----------------------------------------------------##
Using data between 10.00 to 3.36 Angstrom.
Determining possible twin laws.
The following twin laws have been found:
------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- | Type | Axis | R metric (%) | delta (le Page) | delta (Lebedev) | Twin law | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- | PM | 4-fold | 2.851 | 0.000 | 0.013 | - l,k,h | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- M: Merohedral twin law PM: Pseudomerohedral twin law
0 merohedral twin operators found 1 pseudo-merohedral twin operators found In total, 1 twin operator were found
--------------------------------------------- Analysing possible twin law : -l,k,h ---------------------------------------------
Results of the H-test on acentric data:
(Only 50.0% of the strongest twin pairs were used)
mean |H| : 0.368 (0.50: untwinned; 0.0: 50% twinned) mean H^2 : 0.194 (0.33: untwinned; 0.0: 50% twinned) Estimation of twin fraction via mean |H|: 0.132 Estimation of twin fraction via cum. dist. of H: 0.115
Britton analyses
Extrapolation performed on 0.14 < alpha < 0.495 Estimated twin fraction: 0.127 Correlation: 0.9955
By comparison if I run the detect_twin routine of CNS it tells me that they are no merohedral twin laws for the point group 222 (using the statistical method of Yeates) ? This is confusing me quite a bit.
Assuming that the twinning law suggested by Phenix is correct how should I proceed? I have noticed the section concerning refinement using twinned data in Phenix phenix.refine data.hkl model.pdb twin_law="-k,-h,-l" detwin.map_types.aniso_correct=true
but It seems I only have a MR solution in P2(1) but not in P222(1) so how can I refine in P222(1)
I will greatly appreciate your input, many thanks.
Pascal F. Egea, PhD University of California San Francisco Department of Biophysics and Biochemistry Robert Stroud Laboratory [email protected]
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