Re: [phenixbb] Mn - O distances

Hi Nigel, One thing I found out is that the slack keyword cannot be added into elbow.edits. After reading elbow.edits, phenix.refine will strip them off and replace them with slack=None. I think this must be a bug. -- Jianghai On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Nigel Moriarty wrote:

Tim

I did a survey of the literature some time ago and used Harding, Acta Cryst. D62 (2006), 678-682 for the data used in phenix.metal_coordination. I recently added the data from Zheng et al. Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry 102 (2008) 1765-1776 and plan to include it soon.

You are quite correct that the coordination number affects the bond length. This is currently ignored in PHENIX but it may well be useful. I'll read Shannon and Prewitt with a view to improving the coordination code.

One thing you can do is add the slack option to the edits giving the bond potential a flat bottom. This allow complete freedom for the metal to use the electron density for fitting within the slack distance of the ideal.

refinement.geometry_restraints.edits { bond { action = *add atom_selection_1 = chain F and resid 1 and name FE1 atom_selection_2 = chain A and resid 69 and name SG distance_ideal = 2.35 sigma = 0.1 slack = 0.1 } }

I'm very interested in discussing your situation and making it better. If you send me your model (off line) we can investigate a better solution.

Nigel

NB. Any files sent to me will be held in strictest confidence.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Timothy Springer wrote:

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Hi, We are refining structures with Ca binding sites that are replaced by Mn. Using the coordination restraints in Phenix (distance only) obtained with phenix.metal_coordination, we wind up with the ligands coming somewhat too close, so there is positive density on the opposite side of the ligating residue from the metal. We may have a series of problems, including incomplete replacement of Ca by Mn. However, the bigger issue I want to address is coordination number. In the work by Shannon and Prewitt, such as Acta Cryst. B25, 925, metal oxides are examined, and the point is made that the Mn-O distance with a coordination number of 6 is shorter than for 7. Ca commonly has either 6 or 7 ligands, and with 7 ligands (most common) the O cannot squeeze as tightly together and are farther away from Ca. Mn more commonly has 6 ligands, but can have 7. What are the distance restraints in Phenix based on? They seem similar to those in Harding MM, Acta Cryst D62, 678 (2006). This paper lumps measurements for different coordination numbers together for Mn-O and Ca-O distances, but not for Co, Cu, and Zn. It does seem to help to add metal ion restraints in Phenix. Things don't seem to come out as well without them. Would it be helpful to treat 6 and 7-coordinate metals differently? Or should we just loosen the restraints? How does Refmac treat metals? One does not need to add restraints in its case. With my best regards, Tim Timothy A. Springer, Ph.D. Latham Family Professor of Biological Chemistry and Molecular Pharmacology

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