Hello all, the documentation https://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/faqs/refine.html states that This is somewhat controversial, but absolute upper limits for a well-refined protein structure at high resolution are typically 0.02 for RMS(bonds) and 2.0 for RMS(angles); usually they will be significantly lower. I understand that exceedingly high RMSDs from ideal could indicate overfitting. On the other hand, local deviations from ideal geometry may point to correctable modeling errors, and I am concerned that overly tight restraints may cause that diagnostic tool to become less sensitive, or local errors to be spread in to the model. For what bond and angle rms deviations from ideal do my colleagues on the BB aim and how have they arrived at those targets? Did my web search miss a relevant paper? Thank you in advance. Wolfram Tempel