Hi Francis,

Here is a table for a good derivative. Note that the S/N is very high...but this includes 
non-isomorphism. It only means that the differences between native and 
derivative are well-measured.

 isomorphous differences derivs            1  - native


 Differences by shell:

  shell   dmin    nobs      Fbar      R     scale    SIGNAL  NOISE   S/N

    1     5.600  1018     285.012     0.287   0.998 105.05  26.73   3.93
    2     4.200  1386     324.927     0.216   1.000  84.78  26.76   3.17
    3     3.920   542     330.807     0.214   1.002  85.00  28.36   3.00
    4     3.710   523     286.487     0.237   1.002  81.31  27.29   2.98
    5     3.500   662     282.383     0.235   1.001  75.58  37.12   2.04
    6     3.360   518     255.782     0.241   1.003  72.69  27.18   2.67
    7     3.220   630     237.778     0.253   1.000  68.87  29.94   2.30
    8     3.080   727     208.271     0.255   1.000  61.39  29.19   2.10
    9     2.940   897     190.044     0.254   0.999  42.78  42.99   1.00
   10     2.800  1067     169.022     0.280   0.999  50.54  33.24   1.52

 Total:          7970     256.096     0.245   1.000  75.29  31.41   2.48

-Tom T

On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Francis E Reyes wrote:

Tom


This is great. 


Do you have a table from a good derivative?

Thanks

FR

On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Tom Terwilliger wrote:

Hi Francis,

You can say:

phenix.autosol native.data=native.sca deriv.data=deriv.sca

 and wait a couple minutes until it has scaled the data (once it says "RUNNING HYSS" you are far enough) 
and then have a look at 

AutoSol_run_1_/TEMP0/dataset_1_scale.log

which will say near the end..


 isomorphous differences derivs            1  - native


 Differences by shell:

  shell   dmin    nobs      Fbar      R     scale    SIGNAL  NOISE   S/N

    1     5.000   137      29.235     0.007   1.000   0.00   0.46   0.00
    2     3.750   201      20.277     0.011   1.000   0.09   0.31   0.31
    3     3.500    69      16.565     0.010   1.000   0.00   0.25   0.00
    4     3.312    80      14.804     0.009   1.000   0.00   0.23   0.00
    5     3.125    78      14.174     0.008   1.000   0.00   0.23   0.00
    6     3.000    81      12.567     0.010   1.000   0.00   0.20   0.00
    7     2.875    88      12.677     0.009   1.000   0.00   0.19   0.00
    8     2.750    94      11.249     0.012   1.000   0.09   0.18   0.47
    9     2.625   136      11.555     0.011   1.000   0.00   0.19   0.00
   10     2.500   126       9.975     0.011   1.000   0.00   0.17   0.00

 Total:          1090      16.085     0.010   1.000   0.00   0.27   0.10

(which in this particular case are not useful!)
Here R is <Fderiv-Fnative>/(2 <Fderiv+Fnative>), noise is <sigma>, 
signal is sqrt(<(Fderiv-Fnative)**2>-<sigma**2>), and S/N is the ratio of signal to noise.

All the best,
Tom T


On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Peter Zwart wrote:

I suggest using some phenix.solve utilities.

xtriage isn't geared towards isomorphous diferences.

Cheers

Peter

2009/8/12, Francis E Reyes <[email protected]>:
Hi all

I love the fact that xtriage can measure anomalous signal, but can it
also do a quick check for isomorphous differences (with and without
anomalous signal) similar to scalepack? Is there a phenix utility that
can do this?

Thanks

FR

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