Hi,

“How high is too high?” depends upon a lot of factors in your data that are related to the pseudo symmetry but also to the potential presence of other problems (e.g., anisotropy).

Look at this very useful Acta Cryst D paper from Paul Adam’s group and read the section about translational pseudo symmetry (Section 3.2).

 2008 Jan;64(Pt 1):99-107. Epub 2007 Dec 5.

Surprises and pitfalls arising from (pseudo)symmetry.

Zwart PH1, Grosse-Kunstleve RW, Lebedev AA, Murshudov GN, Adams PD.

DOI: 
10.1107/S090744490705531X

Diana


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On Apr 12, 2018, at 8:38 PM, Tanner, John J. <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear PhenixBB,

We have a crystal form that xtriage flags as having strong translational pseudo symmetry (Patterson peak 57% the height of the origin peak, p-value = 3E-5). 

The space group is P21212. We can solve the structure with MR and refine to R=0.233 and R-free =0.276 at 2.25 Angstrom resolution. The maps look very good, but do not suggest major additional modeling that could be done to improve the structure and lower the R-factors. I know that one expects the R-factors from refinement to be higher when TPS is present, but my question is how high is too high?  Has anyone done a study that shows the expectations for R-factors when TPS is present? 

Thanks,

Jack 

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