Hi everyone, I have a structure at 2.3 A refined in phenix to R/Rfree=0.23/0.28. However, the geometry is not that good, the followings are the output from phenix.model_vs_data, Stereochemistry statistics (mean, max, count): bonds : 0.0080 0.0547 3244 angles : 1.1669 12.1085 4374 dihedrals : 15.7241 85.6280 1202 chirality : 0.0706 0.2831 536 planarity : 0.0036 0.0246 573 non-bonded (min) : 2.1217 Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 17 (4.02 %) allowed : 37 (8.75 %) favored : 369 (87.23 %) Rotamer outliers : 30 (8.62 %) goal: < 1% Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 0 All-atom clashscore : 40.51 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms) I tried to use fix_rotamer=True, but it doesn't help at all. As to the rotamer outliers, the value is far higher than the ideal one. Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model? Or will autobuild help improve the geometry? Thanks! Fengyun
Hi Fengyun, That does look like a lot of outliers to me. You could try improving the model by "rebuilding in place" with autobuild with the keyword "rebuild_in_place=True" which will try to rebuild your model without changing the sequence alignment. This procedure takes a while and it is useful to use a multiprocessor machine with nproc=5. You should also have a careful look at your model, as some manual rebuilding might improve it a lot. All the best, Tom T
Hi everyone,
I have a structure at 2.3 A refined in phenix to R/Rfree=0.23/0.28. However, the geometry is not that good, the followings are the output from phenix.model_vs_data,
Stereochemistry statistics (mean, max, count): bonds : 0.0080 0.0547 3244 angles : 1.1669 12.1085 4374 dihedrals : 15.7241 85.6280 1202 chirality : 0.0706 0.2831 536 planarity : 0.0036 0.0246 573 non-bonded (min) : 2.1217 Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 17 (4.02 %) allowed : 37 (8.75 %) favored : 369 (87.23 %) Rotamer outliers : 30 (8.62 %) goal: < 1% Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 0 All-atom clashscore : 40.51 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms)
I tried to use fix_rotamer=True, but it doesn't help at all. As to the rotamer outliers, the value is far higher than the ideal one. Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model? Or will autobuild help improve the geometry?
Thanks! Fengyun
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Hi, I agree with Tom. Here is an example. A 3ifk structure deposited in PDB (resolution 2.03A) has the following statistics: - reported Rwork/Rfree = 0.237/0.293 - recomputed Rwork/Rfree (using phenix.model_vs_data) = 0.2306/0.2835 - Molprobity scores (computed using phenix.model_vs_data): Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 4 (2.35 %) allowed : 1 (0.59 %) favored : 165 (97.06 %) Rotamer outliers : 28 (18.67 %) Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 10 All-atom clashscore : 61.61 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms) After running this model through PHENIX AutoBuild and then refining it with phenix.refine using fix_rotamers option and H atoms added, I'm getting the following numbers: - Rwork/Rfree = 0.2097/0.2402 - Molprobity scores: Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 2 (1.18 %) allowed : 2 (1.18 %) favored : 166 (97.65 %) Rotamer outliers : 5 (3.57 %) Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 1 All-atom clashscore : 37.14 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms) As you can see, the change is pretty significant and no manual work at all to achieve it! Good luck! Pavel. P.S.: All files are here: http://cci.lbl.gov/~afonine/example_3ifk/ 3ifk.mtz - original data file pdb3ifk.ent - model from PDB pdb3ifk.mvd - result of "phenix.model_vs_data 3ifk.mtz pdb3ifk.ent > pdb3ifk.mvd " command autobuild.mvd - result of "phenix.model_vs_data autobuild.pdb 3ifk.mtz > autobuild.mvd " command autobuild.pdb - model after AutoBuild and phenix.refine On 8/31/10 7:08 PM, Thomas C. Terwilliger wrote:
Hi Fengyun,
That does look like a lot of outliers to me. You could try improving the model by "rebuilding in place" with autobuild with the keyword "rebuild_in_place=True" which will try to rebuild your model without changing the sequence alignment. This procedure takes a while and it is useful to use a multiprocessor machine with nproc=5.
You should also have a careful look at your model, as some manual rebuilding might improve it a lot.
All the best, Tom T
Hi everyone,
I have a structure at 2.3 A refined in phenix to R/Rfree=0.23/0.28. However, the geometry is not that good, the followings are the output from phenix.model_vs_data,
Stereochemistry statistics (mean, max, count): bonds : 0.0080 0.0547 3244 angles : 1.1669 12.1085 4374 dihedrals : 15.7241 85.6280 1202 chirality : 0.0706 0.2831 536 planarity : 0.0036 0.0246 573 non-bonded (min) : 2.1217 Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 17 (4.02 %) allowed : 37 (8.75 %) favored : 369 (87.23 %) Rotamer outliers : 30 (8.62 %) goal:< 1% Cbeta deviations>0.25A : 0 All-atom clashscore : 40.51 (steric overlaps>0.4A per 1000 atoms)
I tried to use fix_rotamer=True, but it doesn't help at all. As to the rotamer outliers, the value is far higher than the ideal one. Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model? Or will autobuild help improve the geometry?
Thanks! Fengyun
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On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:37 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model?
Autobuilder is a fantastic tool which greatly simplifies the model building process, but you always must validate your structure by inspecting the electron density. I fully understand that (hopefully) it is what you plan to do and this is more of a reaction to the alarming number of obvious and easily correctable systematic errors one finds in structures deposited in the PDB these days. Thanks to Pavel for providing an excellent example to illustrate the point. One only needs to take a look at the model in context of electron density maps to confirm that autobuilder will fix some errors but also sometimes introduce some that require manual correction. Cheers, Ed.
Hi Fengyun,
Statistics like these mean that the backbone of your model is not
quite right, so re-building is necessary. And Pavel can correct me if
I'm wrong, but I think fix_rotamer becomes increasing less successful
the further you have backbone from the correct position. So first the
mainchain and then the sidechains need to be fixed.
Do the Ramachandran outliers bunch together in loop regions, or are
they distributed across the structure?
Most of the Ramachandran outliers in secondary structure regions in my
experience are due to having the peptide bond flipped. Check closely
to see if you can find density for carbonyl oxygens, and remember in
alpha structure they point toward the C-terminus, and in beta
structure they alternate.
Loops are more difficult. The only general rule I know is that
consecutive carbonyls tend to not point in the same direction....with
the major exception being metal binding loops.
Also it may be worth double checking the sequence register, especially
near ends of secondary structure elements.
Autobuild likely will take care of most of your issues, but a careful
eye toward rebuilding can give you confidence that you've got the
model right.
Good Luck,
-bob
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 PM,
Hi everyone,
I have a structure at 2.3 A refined in phenix to R/Rfree=0.23/0.28. However, the geometry is not that good, the followings are the output from phenix.model_vs_data,
Stereochemistry statistics (mean, max, count): bonds : 0.0080 0.0547 3244 angles : 1.1669 12.1085 4374 dihedrals : 15.7241 85.6280 1202 chirality : 0.0706 0.2831 536 planarity : 0.0036 0.0246 573 non-bonded (min) : 2.1217 Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 17 (4.02 %) allowed : 37 (8.75 %) favored : 369 (87.23 %) Rotamer outliers : 30 (8.62 %) goal: < 1% Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 0 All-atom clashscore : 40.51 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms)
I tried to use fix_rotamer=True, but it doesn't help at all. As to the rotamer outliers, the value is far higher than the ideal one. Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model? Or will autobuild help improve the geometry?
Thanks! Fengyun
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This is a good point and it is often useful to prune back to poly(ALA) in doubtful regions which can help centre the backbone in the strongest density and then re-build sidechains afresh.
All the best
Martyn
Martyn Symmons
Cambridge UK
--- On Wed, 1/9/10, Robert Immormino
From: Robert Immormino
Subject: Re: [phenixbb] question on bad geometry To: "PHENIX user mailing list" Date: Wednesday, 1 September, 2010, 12:27 Hi Fengyun, Statistics like these mean that the backbone of your model is not quite right, so re-building is necessary. And Pavel can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think fix_rotamer becomes increasing less successful the further you have backbone from the correct position. So first the mainchain and then the sidechains need to be fixed.
Do the Ramachandran outliers bunch together in loop regions, or are they distributed across the structure?
Most of the Ramachandran outliers in secondary structure regions in my experience are due to having the peptide bond flipped. Check closely to see if you can find density for carbonyl oxygens, and remember in alpha structure they point toward the C-terminus, and in beta structure they alternate.
Loops are more difficult. The only general rule I know is that consecutive carbonyls tend to not point in the same direction....with the major exception being metal binding loops.
Also it may be worth double checking the sequence register, especially near ends of secondary structure elements.
Autobuild likely will take care of most of your issues, but a careful eye toward rebuilding can give you confidence that you've got the model right.
Good Luck, -bob
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:37 PM,
wrote: Hi everyone,
I have a structure at 2.3 A refined in phenix to R/Rfree=0.23/0.28. However, the geometry is not that good, the followings are the output from phenix.model_vs_data,
Stereochemistry statistics (mean, max, count): bonds : 0.0080 0.0547 3244 angles : 1.1669 12.1085 4374 dihedrals : 15.7241 85.6280 1202 chirality : 0.0706 0.2831 536 planarity : 0.0036 0.0246 573 non-bonded (min) : 2.1217 Ramachandran plot, number of: outliers : 17 (4.02 %) allowed : 37 (8.75 %) favored : 369 (87.23 %) Rotamer outliers : 30 (8.62 %) goal: < 1% Cbeta deviations >0.25A : 0 All-atom clashscore : 40.51 (steric overlaps >0.4A per 1000 atoms)
I tried to use fix_rotamer=True, but it doesn't help at all. As to the rotamer outliers, the value is far higher than the ideal one. Does that mean I need to manually adjust the model? Or will autobuild help improve the geometry?
Thanks! Fengyun
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participants (6)
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Ed Pozharski
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fn1@rice.edu
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MARTYN SYMMONS
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Pavel Afonine
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Robert Immormino
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Thomas C. Terwilliger