Hello, I have a ligand bound to a heme and I have supplied a CIF for phenix in refinement. I did not include all atoms just, those close to the iron. Unfortunately, I am getting very large reported bond deviations for other atoms. For example I get: bond pdb="FE HEM A 410 " pdb=" N3 CPZ A 500 " ideal model delta sigma weight residual 2.100 4.054 -1.954 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 9.54e+01 N3 and FE are not bonded and not expected to be close to one another. it is not supported by the structure. I suspect that this is causing my overall bonds deviations to be ~0.03 even if I greatly reduce the weight of wxc. Is it necessary to enter all of these outliers into the .cif file or is there an easier way? Thank you.
Hello again,
have fixed the CIF and I still get a large overall bond deviation > 0.03,
even when using wxc_scale = 0.02. It does not change much even though the
angle sigmas move from 1.4 to about 0.7.
Is there anyway to set a target of say, .0015 and optimize the R/Rfree
around this? My resolution is 2.5 A. Is it possible I am over parametizing
using isotropic B factor refinement and individual coordinate refinement? I
estitmate my parameter/obs ratio to be ~ 1.5. I have an unusuallyl large
solvent content, about 65%.
On Monday, June 23, 2014, Yarrow Madrona
Hello,
I have a ligand bound to a heme and I have supplied a CIF for phenix in refinement. I did not include all atoms just, those close to the iron. Unfortunately, I am getting very large reported bond deviations for other atoms. For example I get:
bond pdb="FE HEM A 410 " pdb=" N3 CPZ A 500 " ideal model delta sigma weight residual 2.100 4.054 -1.954 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 9.54e+01
N3 and FE are not bonded and not expected to be close to one another. it is not supported by the structure. I suspect that this is causing my overall bonds deviations to be ~0.03 even if I greatly reduce the weight of wxc.
Is it necessary to enter all of these outliers into the .cif file or is there an easier way? Thank you.
Hi Yarrow, I can have a look if you send me all inputs: data, model and CIF files, as well as any parameter files (if used). Pavel On 6/23/14, 5:42 PM, Yarrow Madrona wrote:
Hello again,
have fixed the CIF and I still get a large overall bond deviation > 0.03, even when using wxc_scale = 0.02. It does not change much even though the angle sigmas move from 1.4 to about 0.7.
Is there anyway to set a target of say, .0015 and optimize the R/Rfree around this? My resolution is 2.5 A. Is it possible I am over parametizing using isotropic B factor refinement and individual coordinate refinement? I estitmate my parameter/obs ratio to be ~ 1.5. I have an unusuallyl large solvent content, about 65%.
On Monday, June 23, 2014, Yarrow Madrona
mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Hello,
I have a ligand bound to a heme and I have supplied a CIF for phenix in refinement. I did not include all atoms just, those close to the iron. Unfortunately, I am getting very large reported bond deviations for other atoms. For example I get:
bond pdb="FE HEM A 410 " pdb=" N3 CPZ A 500 " ideal model delta sigma weight residual 2.100 4.054 -1.954 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 9.54e+01
N3 and FE are not bonded and not expected to be close to one another. it is not supported by the structure. I suspect that this is causing my overall bonds deviations to be ~0.03 even if I greatly reduce the weight of wxc.
Is it necessary to enter all of these outliers into the .cif file or is there an easier way? Thank you.
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Hi again,
So the problem has been solved by adding a bond line into the CIF that
explicitely tells phenix that the "bond" should be 4 angstroms instead of
2.1. But I don't understand why Phenix would somehow see that these atoms
should be bonded together. This is a phenyl immidazole ligand with two
nitrogens, one of which is about 1.9 angstroms from the iron (a real
coordination). The other is about 4 angstroms. Why does phenix seem to want
to assign a bond between the nitrogen further away?
-Yarrow
On Monday, June 23, 2014, Yarrow Madrona
Hello,
I have a ligand bound to a heme and I have supplied a CIF for phenix in refinement. I did not include all atoms just, those close to the iron. Unfortunately, I am getting very large reported bond deviations for other atoms. For example I get:
bond pdb="FE HEM A 410 " pdb=" N3 CPZ A 500 " ideal model delta sigma weight residual 2.100 4.054 -1.954 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 9.54e+01
N3 and FE are not bonded and not expected to be close to one another. it is not supported by the structure. I suspect that this is causing my overall bonds deviations to be ~0.03 even if I greatly reduce the weight of wxc.
Is it necessary to enter all of these outliers into the .cif file or is there an easier way? Thank you.
Yarrow
The inputs are likely telling it to form the bond as it's not an automatic
thing. Please send all inputs to Pavel and I, off-line.
Cheers
Nigel
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Yarrow Madrona
Hi again,
So the problem has been solved by adding a bond line into the CIF that explicitely tells phenix that the "bond" should be 4 angstroms instead of 2.1. But I don't understand why Phenix would somehow see that these atoms should be bonded together. This is a phenyl immidazole ligand with two nitrogens, one of which is about 1.9 angstroms from the iron (a real coordination). The other is about 4 angstroms. Why does phenix seem to want to assign a bond between the nitrogen further away?
-Yarrow
On Monday, June 23, 2014, Yarrow Madrona
wrote: Hello,
I have a ligand bound to a heme and I have supplied a CIF for phenix in refinement. I did not include all atoms just, those close to the iron. Unfortunately, I am getting very large reported bond deviations for other atoms. For example I get:
bond pdb="FE HEM A 410 " pdb=" N3 CPZ A 500 " ideal model delta sigma weight residual 2.100 4.054 -1.954 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 9.54e+01
N3 and FE are not bonded and not expected to be close to one another. it is not supported by the structure. I suspect that this is causing my overall bonds deviations to be ~0.03 even if I greatly reduce the weight of wxc.
Is it necessary to enter all of these outliers into the .cif file or is there an easier way? Thank you.
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Nigel Moriarty
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Pavel Afonine
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Yarrow Madrona