Hi, I would like to generate an SA-omit Fo-Fc map for a ligand bound to protein. Using the GUI I selected the AutoBuild-Create Omit Map module and set the following : - data.mtz - protein.pdb (no ligand, no solvent) = start model - ligand.pdb (just ligand) = omit map atoms - omit map type = simulated annealing - omit region = omit around pdb The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for both the protein and the ligand. When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand. However I need only the ligand Fo-Fc density. What is the right way to do this ? Thanks, Tjaard Ing. Tjaard Pijning Research Assistant Protein Crystallography Group Nijenborgh 7 9747 AG Groningen The Netherlands (31)(0)50 363 43 85
Hi Tjaar, an easy and transparent way of doing what you want with just one command: phenix.refin model.pdb data.mtz simulated_annealing=true modify_start_model.occupancies.set=0 modify_start_model.selection="chain A and resname LIG" the residual map (Fourier map coefficients) in output MTZ file is the map you want (that you can open and see in Coot). The command phenix.mtz2map will convert this map into actual CCP4 or X-plor formatted map: http://phenix-online.org/documentation/mtz2map.htm You can see the content of output MTZ file using phenix.mtz.dump command. You should discard the output PDB file since will contain the ligand with zero occupancy.
I would like to generate an SA-omit Fo-Fc map for a ligand bound to protein. Using the GUI I selected the AutoBuild-Create Omit Map module and set the following : - data.mtz - protein.pdb (no ligand, no solvent) = start model - ligand.pdb (just ligand) = omit map atoms - omit map type = simulated annealing - omit region = omit around pdb The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for both the protein and the ligand.
This should be equivalent to what I described above, and if not then there is a problem that we need to fix.
When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand.
I don't know what this step does so can't comment. Let me know if you have any questions or need help with this. Pavel.
Dear Pavel,
This would still yield "normal" density in the entire unit cell. It seems to
me that Tjaard wants a map covering only the ligand (if I understand
correctly).
Using my phone, so I can't comment on what phenix programs would be good.
Venlig hilsen
Folmer Fredslund
(and sorry for top posting)
Den 06/07/2011 17.46 skrev "Pavel Afonine"
Hi Tjaar,
an easy and transparent way of doing what you want with just one command:
phenix.refin model.pdb data.mtz simulated_annealing=true modify_start_model.occupancies.set=0 modify_start_model.selection="chain A and resname LIG"
the residual map (Fourier map coefficients) in output MTZ file is the map you want (that you can open and see in Coot). The command phenix.mtz2map will convert this map into actual CCP4 or X-plor formatted map:
http://phenix-online.org/documentation/mtz2map.htm
You can see the content of output MTZ file using phenix.mtz.dump command.
You should discard the output PDB file since will contain the ligand with zero occupancy.
I would like to generate an SA-omit Fo-Fc map for a ligand bound to protein. Using the GUI I selected the AutoBuild-Create Omit Map module and set the following : - data.mtz - protein.pdb (no ligand, no solvent) = start model - ligand.pdb (just ligand) = omit map atoms - omit map type = simulated annealing - omit region = omit around pdb The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for both the protein and the ligand.
This should be equivalent to what I described above, and if not then there is a problem that we need to fix.
When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand.
I don't know what this step does so can't comment.
Let me know if you have any questions or need help with this.
Pavel.
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Hi Folmer, I'm not sure I understand this. Isn't it a matter of displaying density: compute all but show on graphics only what you want? If you still want to compute density around selected atoms only then you can do it using phenix.maps: http://phenix-online.org/documentation/phenix_maps.htm see "atom_selection" keyword in map {...} scope of parameters. Of course you can do it in the GUI too. Pavel.
Dear Pavel, This would still yield "normal" density in the entire unit cell. It seems to me that Tjaard wants a map covering only the ligand (if I understand correctly).
Using my phone, so I can't comment on what phenix programs would be good.
Venlig hilsen Folmer Fredslund (and sorry for top posting)
Den 06/07/2011 17.46 skrev "Pavel Afonine"
mailto:[email protected]>: Hi Tjaar,
an easy and transparent way of doing what you want with just one command:
phenix.refin model.pdb data.mtz simulated_annealing=true modify_start_model.occupancies.set=0 modify_start_model.selection="chain A and resname LIG"
the residual map (Fourier map coefficients) in output MTZ file is the map you want (that you can open and see in Coot). The command phenix.mtz2map will convert this map into actual CCP4 or X-plor formatted map:
http://phenix-online.org/documentation/mtz2map.htm
You can see the content of output MTZ file using phenix.mtz.dump command.
You should discard the output PDB file since will contain the ligand with zero occupancy.
I would like to generate an SA-omit Fo-Fc map for a ligand bound to protein. Using the GUI I selected the AutoBuild-Create Omit Map module and set the following : - data.mtz - protein.pdb (no ligand, no solvent) = start model - ligand.pdb (just ligand) = omit map atoms - omit map type = simulated annealing - omit region = omit around pdb The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for both the protein and the ligand.
This should be equivalent to what I described above, and if not then there is a problem that we need to fix.
When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand.
I don't know what this step does so can't comment.
Let me know if you have any questions or need help with this.
Pavel.
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Dear Pavel,
onsdag den 6. juli 2011 skrev Pavel Afonine
Hi Folmer,
I'm not sure I understand this. Isn't it a matter of displaying density: compute all but show on graphics only what you want?
Yes. But if people come from e.g. CNS they might not be used to thinking that way? (maps as mtz vs "calculated maps" representing specific parts of the Unit cell).
If you still want to compute density around selected atoms only then you can do it using phenix.maps: http://phenix-online.org/documentation/phenix_maps.htm
see "atom_selection" keyword in map {...} scope of parameters. Of course you can do it in the GUI too.
Yes, thats the way to do it. I just thought this was actually what Tjaard was asking, or at least this will help him. Best regards, Folmer
Pavel.
Dear Pavel, This would still yield "normal" density in the entire unit cell. It seems to me that Tjaard wants a map covering only the ligand (if I understand correctly). Using my phone, so I can't comment on what phenix programs would be good. Venlig hilsen Folmer Fredslund (and sorry for top posting) Den 06/07/2011 17.46 skrev "Pavel Afonine"
: > Hi Tjaar, > > an easy and transparent way of doing what you want with just one command: > > phenix.refin model.pdb data.mtz simulated_annealing=true > modify_start_model.occupancies.set=0 modify_start_model.selection="chain > A and resname LIG" > > the residual map (Fourier map coefficients) in output MTZ file is the > map you want (that you can open and see in Coot). The command > phenix.mtz2map will convert this map into actual CCP4 or X-plor > formatted map: > > http://phenix-online.org/documentation/mtz2map.htm > > You can see the content of output MTZ file using phenix.mtz.dump command. > > You should discard the output PDB file since will contain the ligand > with zero occupancy. > >> I would like to generate an SA-omit Fo-Fc map for a ligand bound to >> protein. >> Using the GUI I selected the AutoBuild-Create Omit Map module and set >> the following : >> - data.mtz >> - protein.pdb (no ligand, no solvent) = start model >> - ligand.pdb (just ligand) = omit map atoms >> - omit map type = simulated annealing >> - omit region = omit around pdb >> The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for >> both the protein and the ligand. > > This should be equivalent to what I described above, and if not then > there is a problem that we need to fix. > >> When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map >> (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand. > > I don't know what this step does so can't comment. > > Let me know if you have any questions or need help with this. > > Pavel. > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > [email protected] > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list [email protected] http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb
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Hi Folmer,
But if people come from e.g. CNS they might not be used to thinking that way? (maps as mtz vs "calculated maps" representing specific parts of the Unit cell).
what's in MTZ is not the map, but Fourier map coefficients, that have to be Fourier-transformed to obtain the actual electron density map (which is, strictly speaking, not the electron density map but its Fourier image) computed on three-dimensional grid. The latter may be computed in the whole unit cell or around selected region. Tools such as phenix.maps or phenix.refine give you the full control over all of this. All the best! Pavel.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Tjaard Pijning
The resulting map (/OMIT/resolve_composite_map.mtz) shows density for both the protein and the ligand. When I feed this into the CCP4 module FFT to generate an nF1-mF2 map (with n=1 and m=1) I still get density for both the protein and ligand. However I need only the ligand Fo-Fc density. What is the right way to do this ?
Pavel is correct, it is easiest to do this with phenix.refine instead of AutoBuild. An alternative to the commands he suggested is simply to delete the ligand from the input model and then run refinement as usual (with simulated annealing). This gives you total control over what is omitted; I think AutoBuild may carve out a box around the omit atoms. The Fo-Fc map coefficients will still cover the entire unit cell, but if you have correctly placed all of the protein atoms and obvious solvent, it will mainly show your ligand. Otherwise, you need to use a different tool to limit how much of the map is displayed - Phenix won't do this for you, at least not if you want to use simulated annealing. (We could add a separate tool for this, of course - it's very easy to implement.) -Nat
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