Dear all, In phenix.refine (1.4-3) my electron density maps look weird. I get beautiful density for a helix that is missing from the current model, but absolutely horrible density for the rest of the molecule. Any ideas what is going on? Maps from automr look fine and the density modified map from autobuild also look fine, whereas the autobuild map from refinement has the same features. Any ideas what is going on? I am running all programs with default parameters. Best regards, Folmer Fredslund
Hi Folmer, I think I dealt with something similar a while ago. Unfortunately I don't remember the details but your description of the problem definitely rings the bells.... If I remember, the problem was some miscommunication between Autobuild and phenix.refine in terms of using incorrect data columns from input mtz file.... Using the right data was a solution. I don't know the answer, but I would try the following which shouldn't take more than 5 minutes or even less. Run phenix.refine to just compute the maps: phenix.refine model.pdb data.hkl strategy=none main.number_of_macro_cycles=1 where data.hkl is your original file with Fobs. This will do not do any refinement but will compute the maps. Now, the map coefficients file (xxx__map_coeffs.mtz) contains two kinds of maps: computed using original unmodified Fobs (labels ending with "_no_fill") and computed using modified Fobs, where missing reflections are filled with DFmodel. To see it, just run this command: phenix.mtz.dump xxx_map_coeffs.mtz So I would suggest to compare these two kinds of maps. If this doesn't give you any clue, the next question is: does your input data file (the one that is used in Autobuild) contain HL coefficients? If it does, then try why I suggested above but run phenix.refine slightly different: phenix.refine model.pdb data.hkl strategy=none main.number_of_macro_cycles=1 use_experimental_phases=false and have a look at the maps once again. If this does not help, and no-one else suggests anything else to try out, you may want to send me your input files and I will try to find what's going on. All files will be treated confidentially. Pavel. On 3/28/09 4:29 AM, Folmer Fredslund wrote:
Dear all,
In phenix.refine (1.4-3) my electron density maps look weird. I get beautiful density for a helix that is missing from the current model, but absolutely horrible density for the rest of the molecule. Any ideas what is going on? Maps from automr look fine and the density modified map from autobuild also look fine, whereas the autobuild map from refinement has the same features.
Any ideas what is going on? I am running all programs with default parameters.
Best regards, Folmer Fredslund _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list [email protected] http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb
Dear Pavel
2009/3/30 Pavel Afonine
Hi Folmer,
I think I dealt with something similar a while ago. Unfortunately I don't remember the details but your description of the problem definitely rings the bells.... If I remember, the problem was some miscommunication between Autobuild and phenix.refine in terms of using incorrect data columns from input mtz file.... Using the right data was a solution.
I don't know the answer, but I would try the following which shouldn't take more than 5 minutes or even less.
Run phenix.refine to just compute the maps:
phenix.refine model.pdb data.hkl strategy=none main.number_of_macro_cycles=1
where data.hkl is your original file with Fobs.
This gives maps looking like what I would suspect them to. Nice. Thank you for the advice. Best regards, Folmer Fredslund
On 3/28/09 4:29 AM, Folmer Fredslund wrote:
Dear all,
In phenix.refine (1.4-3) my electron density maps look weird. I get beautiful density for a helix that is missing from the current model, but absolutely horrible density for the rest of the molecule. Any ideas what is going on? Maps from automr look fine and the density modified map from autobuild also look fine, whereas the autobuild map from refinement has the same features.
Any ideas what is going on? I am running all programs with default parameters.
Best regards, Folmer Fredslund _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list [email protected] http://www.phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb
Hi Folmer, I'm glad that this solved the problem! But it leaves me uncertain about what exactly happened and why... It would be very helpful for us PHENIX developers if we could reproduce this problem and fix it so no-one else falls into this same trap in future. We can only do this if you send us the data and model, along with telling the steps you have done. Is that possible? Thanks! Pavel. On 3/30/09 2:00 AM, Folmer Fredslund wrote:
Dear Pavel
2009/3/30 Pavel Afonine
: Hi Folmer,
I think I dealt with something similar a while ago. Unfortunately I don't remember the details but your description of the problem definitely rings the bells.... If I remember, the problem was some miscommunication between Autobuild and phenix.refine in terms of using incorrect data columns from input mtz file.... Using the right data was a solution.
I don't know the answer, but I would try the following which shouldn't take more than 5 minutes or even less.
Run phenix.refine to just compute the maps:
phenix.refine model.pdb data.hkl strategy=none main.number_of_macro_cycles=1
where data.hkl is your original file with Fobs.
This gives maps looking like what I would suspect them to. Nice. Thank you for the advice.
Best regards,
Folmer Fredslund
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