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Re: [phenixbb] occupancy refinement
by Maia Cherney
Hi Pavel,
It looks like all different refined occupancies starting from different
initial occupancies converged to the same number upon going through very
many cycles of refinement.
Maia
Pavel Afonine wrote:
> Hi Maia,
>
> the atom parameters, such as occupancy, B-factor and even position are
> interdependent in some sense. That is, if you have somewhat incorrect
> occupancy, that B-factor refinement may compensate for it; if you
> misplaced an atom the refinement of its occupancy or/and B-factor will
> compensate for this. Note in all the above cases the 2mFo-DFc and
> mFo-DFc maps will appear almost identical, as well as R-factors.
>
> So, I think your goal of finding a "true" occupancy is hardly achievable.
>
> Although, I think you can approach it by doing very many refinements
> (say, several hundreds) (where you refine occupancies, B-factors and
> coordinates) each refinement starting with different occupancy and
> B-factor values, and make sure that each refinement converges. Then
> select a subset of refined structures with similar and low R-factors
> (discard those cases where refinement got stuck for whatever reason
> and R-factors are higher) (and probably similar looking 2mFo-DFc and
> mFo-DFc maps in the region of interest). Then see where the refined
> occupancies and B-factors are clustering, and the averaged values will
> probably give you an approximate values for occupancy and B. I did not
> try this myself but always wanted to.
>
> If you have a structure consisting of 9 carbons and one gold atom,
> then I would expect that the "second digit" in gold's occupancy would
> matter. However, if we speak about dozen of ligand atoms (which are
> probably a combination of C,N,O) out of a few thousands of atoms of
> the whole structure, then I would not expect the "second digit" to be
> visibly important.
>
> Pavel.
>
>
> On 11/24/09 8:08 PM, chern wrote:
>> Thank you Kendall and Pavel for your responces.
>> I really want to determine the occupancy of my ligand. I saw one
>> suggestion to try different refinements with different occupancies
>> and compare the B-factors.
>> The occupancy with a B-factor that is at the level with the average
>> protein B-factors, is a "true" occupancy.
>> I also noticed the dependence of the ligand occupancy on the initial
>> occupancy. I saw the difference of 10 to 15%, that is why I am
>> wondering if the second digit after the decimal point makes any sence.
>> Maia
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Kendall Nettles <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *To:* PHENIX user mailing list <mailto:[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:22 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [phenixbb] occupancy refinement
>>
>> Hi Maia,
>> I think the criteria for occupancy refinement of ligands is
>> similar to a decision to add an alt conformation for an amino
>> acid. I don’t refine occupancy of a ligand unless the difference
>> map indicates that we have to. Sometimes part of the igand may be
>> conformationally mobile and show poor density, but I personally
>> don’t think this justifies occupancy refinement without evidence
>> from the difference map. I agree with Pavel that you shouldn’t
>> expect much change in overall statistics, unless the ligand has
>> very low occupancy., or you have a very small protein. We
>> typically see 0.5-1% difference in R factors from refining with
>> ligand versus without for nuclear receptor igand binding domains
>> of about 250 amino acids, and we see very small differences from
>> occupancy refinement of the ligands.
>>
>> Regarding the error, I have noticed differences of 10% percent
>> occupancy depending on what you set the starting occupancy before
>> refinement. That is, if the starting occupancy starts at 1, you
>> might end up with 50%, but if you start it at 0.01, you might get
>> 40%. I don’t have the expertise to explain why this is, but I
>> also don’t think it is necessarily important. I think it is more
>> important to convince yourself that the ligand binds how you
>> think it does. With steroid receptors, the ligand is usually
>> planer, and tethered by hydrogen bonds on two ends. That leaves
>> us with with four possible poses, so if in doubt, we will dock in
>> the ligand in all of the four orientations and refine. So far, we
>> have had only one of several dozen structures where the ligand
>> orientation was not obvious after this procedure. I worry about a
>> letter to the editor suggesting that the electron density for the
>> ligand doesn’t support the conclusions of the paper, not whether
>> the occupancy is 40% versus 50%.
>>
>> You might also want to consider looking at several maps, such as
>> the simple or simulated annealing composite omit maps. These can
>> be noisy, so also try the kicked maps (
>> http://www.phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2009-September/002573.html),
>> <http://www.phenix-online.org/pipermail/phenixbb/2009-September/002573.html%…,>
>> which I have become a big fan of.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kendall Nettles
>>
>> On 11/24/09 3:07 PM, "chern(a)ualberta.ca" <chern(a)ualberta.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am wondering what is the criteria for occupancy refinement of
>> ligands. I noticed that R factors change very little, but the
>> ligand
>> B-factors change significantly . On the other hand, the
>> occupancy is
>> refined to the second digit after the decimal point. How can
>> I find
>> out the error for the refined occupancy of ligands?
>>
>> Maia
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15 years, 7 months

Re: [phenixbb] Discrepancy between Phenix GUI and command line for MR
by Luca Jovine
Hi Xavier and Randy, I'm also experiencing the same on a M2 Mac!
-Luca
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From: <phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Xavier Brazzolotto <xbrazzolotto(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Tuesday, 4 July 2023 at 12:38
To: Randy John Read <rjr27(a)cam.ac.uk <mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: PHENIX user mailing list <phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Discrepancy between Phenix GUI and command line for MR
Hi Randy,
Indeed I’m running Phenix on a brand new M2 Mac.
I will benchmark the two processes (GUI vs command line) and post them here.
> Le 4 juil. 2023 à 12:32, Randy John Read <rjr27(a)cam.ac.uk <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
>
> Hi Xavier,
>
> We haven’t noticed that, or at least any effect is small enough not to stand out. There shouldn’t be a lot of overhead in communicating with the GUI (i.e. updating the terse log output and the graphs) but if there is we should look into it and see if we can do something about it.
>
> Could you tell me how much longer (say, in percentage terms) a job takes when you run it through the GUI compared to running the same job outside the GUI on the same computer? Also, it’s possible the architecture matters so could you say which type of computer and operating system you’re using? If it’s a Mac, is it one with an Intel processor or an ARM (M1 or M2) processor? (By the way, we finally managed to track down and fix an issue that cause Phaser to run really slowly on an M1 or M2 Mac when using the version compiled for Intel, once I got my hands on a new Mac.)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Randy
>
>> On 4 Jul 2023, at 10:44, Xavier Brazzolotto <xbrazzolotto(a)gmail.com <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Phenix users
>>
>> I’ve noticed that molecular replacement was clearly slower while running from the GUI compared to using the command line (phenix.phaser).
>>
>> Did you also observe such behavior?
>>
>> Best
>> Xavier
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Re: [phenixbb] changing the project directory
by Rajagopalan, Senapathy
Hi,
I recently moved my project directory from a linux machine to my macbook
pro using the "Import project" menu. So now, in my macbook pro, I can view
all the job history but then when I try to restore a job, phenix tries to
find the input files from the old path and gives an error. It is however
able to load the results correctly and remember the refinement settings. I
have kind of fixed it by editing the file '*_jobid.eff' found under
'projectdirectory/phenix/project_data/' but then I will have to do it for
every job that I have submitted which is a pain.
So is there a simpler way to fix this when you want to move project
directories across platforms? I use the linux cluster to run autobuild
jobs (since my macbook pro can't handle it) but once I get the initial
model, I like to switch to working on my laptop.
Thanks
Sena
On 3/16/11 3:13 PM, "Nathaniel Echols" <nechols(a)lbl.gov> wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Charisse Crenshaw <ccrenshaw(a)salk.edu>
>wrote:
>> I have recently started a project whose folder was located on my
>> desktop. I would like to move that folder off of my desktop as I've
>> heard that having a messy desktop slows down one's computer. I moved
>> the project directory somewhere else, and this resulted in Phenix not
>> being able to find the project (understandably). So I moved it back
>> to its original location and Phenix could then open the project. So,
>> in an X11 shell, I copied the project folder to the new desired
>> location, then changed the output directory in the Phenix main window
>> to that new path. But when I clicked on the project again, the output
>> directory that is indicated changes back to the original path. Now I
>> am looking through the preferences etc for a way to change the path of
>> the project directory within Phenix and I cannot. Can anyone tell me
>> if this is possible and if so, how do I do it?
>
>It's possible, but not (yet) straightforward. These steps should do it:
>
>1. Make a copy of the entire project folder in the new location (I
>guess you've already done this)
>2. Open the main GUI and delete the old project. This will not wipe
>out any data in the old location, but it will delete all of the
>project tracking files that Phenix creates.
>3. Select "Import project" from the File menu, and select the new copy
>- this should restore the project, but with all directory paths
>altered.
>
>For now, the parameter files used for past jobs will contain the
>original paths, so restoring old jobs will not bring up the full
>parameters. I hope to fix this at some point. Obviously I need to
>add a "relocate project" function too.
>
>I suspect the warning about a messy desktop came from a Windows user -
>I've never heard about other OSes having this problem.
>
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14 years, 3 months

Re: [phenixbb] Third issue (...) - P.S.
by Pavel Afonine
Hi Frank,
thanks for prompting me to have another look at this! Yes, a quick
section reiterating the results shown in both figures would be
definitely helpful. Ok, I'm doing it now (better late than never!):
Figure 1 (old version vs new version), going from left to right, top to
bottom:
- the new procedure always produces smaller Rfree-Rwork gap (except two
outliers out of ~110 cases). In a few dozens cases this means going from
Rfree-Rwork ~10-14% down to 8% and less. Which is I believe an improvement.
- Molprobity clashscore gets much lower in all cases, and in many cases
it get down from clashscore>150-200 to less than 50. Again, I take this
as an improvement.
- Ramachandran plot: always less outliers, and in a few dozens cases it
get down from 10-25% to less than 5%. It's good too!
- Always less Rotamer outliers. Not bad.
- <Bij> for bonded atoms gets always smaller. In many cases it goes down
from ridiculously high ~30-50A**2 to less than 20 or so. There are
outliers which, as pointed out in the text, need investigation.
- Rfree difference wise (the last graphic at the bottom), almost all the
differences stay within "equally good range of values", which is defined
in the text. Some bad outliers, are 1) inoptimal NCS groups selection
(which was done automatically using the old procedure, not the new one
that does it in torsion angle space), 2) not using TLS even though this
was used originally, and other issues that needs an investigation. There
are improvements too.
Figure 2 (with weight optimization vs without weight optimization):
going from left to right, top to bottom:
- Rfree-Rfree gets much better in a few dozens of cases, or stays in a
"equally good range of values".
- clashscore either stays the same or gets smaller, which is good. Same
for Ramachandran and Rotamer outliers.
- Except two outliers (out of total ~110 cases), Rfree(opt)-Rfree(no
opt) is consistently smaller, with a number of cases having significant
improvement (over ~2% or so).
Thanks again for your comments, and prompting me to spell out a proper
analysis of the presented pictures.
Pavel.
On 7/29/11 1:21 AM, Frank von Delft wrote:
> Hi, just scanned through the article on automatic weight adjustment.
>
> If I had to summarise figures 1 and 2, I'd have to conclude that the
> latest weight optimization only occasionally produces better results
> than not doing it (fig 2); and that therefore the old optimization
> was considerably worse than doing nothing at all.
>
> Or have I misinterpreted it?
> Cheers
> phx
>
>
>
> On 28/07/2011 19:59, Nigel Moriarty wrote:
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> I am pleased to announce the publication of the third issue of the
>> Computational Crystallography Newsletter:
>>
>> http://www.phenix-online.org/newsletter/
>>
>> A listing of the articles and short communications is given below.
>> Please note that the newsletter accepts articles of a general nature
>> of interest to all crystallographers. Please send any articles to me
>> at
>> NWMoriarty(a)lbl.gov noting that there is a Word Template on the website
>> to streamline production.
>>
>> Articles
>> --------
>>
>> Improved target weight optimization in phenix.refine
>> Mite-y lysozyme crystal and structure
>>
>>
>> Short communications
>> --------------------
>>
>> A lightweight, versatile framework for visualizing reciprocal-space data
>> An extremely fast spotfinder for real-time beamline applications
>> Hints for running phenix.mr_rosetta
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Nigel
>>
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13 years, 11 months

Re: [cctbxbb] some thoughts on cctbx and pip
by Nigel Moriarty
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:48 AM Dr Robert Oeffner <rdo20(a)cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> Agree. I talked with a small molecules software developer here at the
> ECM32 yesterday. He would love to be able to do “pip install cctbx” when he
> develops his program, provided it doesn’t take up much file space.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
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> *From: *Derek Mendez <dermen(a)lbl.gov>
> *Sent: *20 August 2019 18:06
> *To: *cctbx mailing list <cctbxbb(a)phenix-online.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [cctbxbb] some thoughts on cctbx and pip
>
>
>
> I think its worth getting a cctbx-light pip build.. I think modules like
> cctbx miller, sgtbx are extremely useful. Also simtbx.nanoBragg.
>
>
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 10:48 PM Graeme.Winter(a)Diamond.ac.uk <
> Graeme.Winter(a)diamond.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Aaron
>
> Re: talk about if interest
>
> I think it would be very useful to have a roadmap of where this is going,
> the intentions and how we expect it to play with other cctbx-dependent
> projects - have I missed this? Having it somewhere e.g. on the wiki would
> be a big help
>
> Thanks Graeme
>
> On 17 Aug 2019, at 00:36, Aaron Brewster <asbrewster(a)lbl.gov<mailto:
> asbrewster(a)lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
> Hi Luc, thanks. I did recall someone working on this a while back.
>
> For conda, there are a couple more things to finish and then we hope to
> have cctbx available through conda.
>
> 1) There is work being done in a branch to make cctbx use boost in
> standard locations (e.g. the system boost, or a conda boost). That will
> allow us to use install boost by conda and not build it ourselves. (
> https://github.com/cctbx/cctbx_project/tree/conda_boost). Also, newer
> versions of boost are being tested (up through 1.70). (This will also
> enable python 3.7 support.)
> 2) We need to work on getting a make install step in place so that we can
> build the conda package and upload it.
> 3) We want to split the dependencies up by builder (cctbx, cctbx-lite,
> dials, phenix, etc.) into meta packages and their associated manifests. I
> can talk more about this if there is interest.
>
> Thanks,
> -Aaron
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Luc Bourhis <luc_j_bourhis(a)mac.com<mailto:
> luc_j_bourhis(a)mac.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did look into that many years ago, and even toyed with building a pip
> installer. What stopped me is the exact conclusion you reached too: the
> user would not have the pip experience he expects. You are right that it is
> a lot of effort but is it worth it? Considering that remark, I don’t think
> so. Now, Conda was created specifically to go beyond pip pure-python-only
> support. Since cctbx has garnered support for Conda, the best avenue imho
> is to go the extra length to have a package on Anaconda.org<
> http://anaconda.org/>, and then to advertise it hard to every potential
> user out there.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Luc
>
>
> On 16 Aug 2019, at 21:45, Aaron Brewster <asbrewster(a)lbl.gov<mailto:
> asbrewster(a)lbl.gov>> wrote:
>
> Hi, to avoid clouding Dorothee's documentation email thread, which I think
> is a highly useful enterprise, here's some thoughts about putting cctbx
> into pip. Pip doesn't install non-python dependencies well. I don't think
> boost is available as a package on pip (at least the package version we
> use). wxPython4 isn't portable through pip (
> https://wiki.wxpython.org/How%20to%20install%20wxPython#Installing_wxPython…).
> MPI libraries are system dependent. If cctbx were a pure python package,
> pip would be fine, but cctbx is not.
>
> All that said, we could build a manylinux1 version of cctbx and upload it
> to PyPi (I'm just learning about this). For a pip package to be portable
> (which is a requirement for cctbx), it needs to conform to PEP513, the
> manylinux1 standard (https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0513/). For
> example, numpy is built according to this standard (see
> https://pypi.org/project/numpy/#files, where you'll see the manylinux1
> wheel). Note, the manylinux1 standard is built with Centos 5.11 which we
> no longer support.
>
> There is also a manylinux2010 standard, which is based on Centos 6 (
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0571/). This is likely a more
> attainable target (note though by default C++11 is not supported on Centos
> 6).
>
> If we built a manylinuxX version of cctbx and uploaded it to PyPi, the
> user would need all the non-python dependencies. There's no way to specify
> these in pip. For example, cctbx requires boost 1.63 or better. The user
> will need to have it in a place their python can find it, or we could
> package it ourselves and supply it, similar to how the pip h5py package now
> comes with an hd5f library, or how the pip numpy package includes an
> openblas library. We'd have to do the same for any packages we depend on
> that aren't on pip using the manylinux standards, such as wxPython4.
>
> Further, we need to think about how dials and other cctbx-based packages
> interact. If pip install cctbx is set up, how does pip install dials work,
> such that any dials shared libraries can find the cctbx libraries? Can
> shared libraries from one pip package link against libraries in another pip
> package? Would each package need to supply its own boost? Possibly this
> is well understood in the pip field, but not by me :)
>
> Finally, there's the option of providing a source pip package. This would
> require the full compiler toolchain for any given platform (macOS, linux,
> windows). These are likely available for developers, but not for general
> users.
>
> Anyway, these are some of the obstacles. Not saying it isn't possible,
> it's just a lot of effort.
>
> Thanks,
> -Aaron
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5 years, 10 months

Re: [phenixbb] PHENIX refine: detached sidechain atoms - SOLUTION
by Schubert, Carsten [PRDUS]
Good to know, that is a nasty side-effect of a complex procedure. We had
a similar case here, which was if I remember correctly was also phenix
version dependent, and we could not make sense of it. The ligand in our
case was actually generated in elbow, so that would not shield one from
problems. It always helps to give the cif files a second look.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phenixbb-bounces(a)phenix-online.org [mailto:phenixbb-
> bounces(a)phenix-online.org] On Behalf Of Pavel Afonine
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:22 AM
> To: oliver.king(a)chem.ox.ac.uk; PHENIX user mailing list
> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] PHENIX refine: detached sidechain atoms -
> SOLUTION
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> thanks for sending the inputs so we could reproduce this issue and
> figure out what is wrong.
>
> The problem maker is the CIF file for your ligand that specifies
> unrealistic (too small) esds for some torsional angles that in turn
> creates huge terms in geometry restraints target that finally resulted
> in a huge X-ray weight. Using huge X-ray weight obviously means that
> you
> are doing nearly unrestrained refinement and therefore no surprises
> that
> the geometry was systematically distorted. This is something we will
be
> catching automatically in future, but meanwhile it is a good idea to
> use
> correct ligand CIF files.
>
> The solution: create a CIF file using either phenix.elbow or, better,
> using phenix.ready_set commands. For example,
>
> phenix.ready_set model.pdb
>
> will create a CIF file for all ligands in your model.pdb file. Using
> this file in refinement eliminates the problem that you have reported
> this morning. Also, this command adds H atoms to model.pdb file, that
> you can then use in subsequent refinements.
>
> I went ahead some more and did some refinement using the strategy that
> I
> think is the best for your case.
>
> Your starting R-factors (corresponding to the model you sent me):
> r_work = 0.1853 r_free = 0.2523 bonds = 0.069 angles = 4.460
>
> And after some refinement that I've done:
> r_work = 0.1779 r_free = 0.2202 bonds = 0.015 angles = 1.600
>
> In refinement I used:
> - automatic water update;
> - TLS;
> - riding hydrogen atoms.
>
> You can further improve your model by:
> - running automatic rotamer fixing (fix_rotamers=true);
> - weights optimization (optimize_wxc=true optimize_wxu=true);
> - more thoughtful selection of TLS groups.
>
> I'm sending to you all the files OFFLIST (in the next email).
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Pavel.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/24/10 3:42 AM, Oliver King wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've noticed that when refining a model in phenix.refine using a PDB
> > file from Refmac, the sidechain atoms of certain residues become
> > detached from the rest of the molecule and appear to float on their
> > own, at least when viewing in Coot. I think this is down to the
> format
> > of the PDB file. For example the atoms of a Leu residue from a
> > phenix.refine file which displays well is of the form:
> >
> > ATOM 1 N LEU A 8 50.022 -34.247 -5.817 1.00
> > 58.12 N
> > ATOM 2 CA LEU A 8 49.788 -34.905 -4.539 1.00
> > 55.84 C
> > ATOM 3 C LEU A 8 48.339 -35.358 -4.348 1.00
> > 60.39 C
> > ATOM 4 O LEU A 8 48.008 -36.016 -3.360 1.00
> > 68.40 O
> > ATOM 5 CB LEU A 8 50.219 -34.011 -3.373 1.00
> > 57.98 C
> > ATOM 6 CG LEU A 8 51.690 -34.126 -2.975 1.00
> > 65.66 C
> > ATOM 7 CD1 LEU A 8 52.014 -33.170 -1.836 1.00
> > 59.99 C
> > ATOM 8 CD2 LEU A 8 52.020 -35.566 -2.594 1.00
> > 68.57 C
> >
> > where as from a Refmac PDB which also behaves well, it is of the
> form:
> >
> > ATOM 1 N LEU A 8 50.453 -35.722 -5.617 1.00
> > 20.00 N
> > ATOM 2 CA LEU A 8 49.649 -35.131 -4.482 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 3 CB LEU A 8 50.190 -33.735 -4.147 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 4 CG LEU A 8 51.461 -33.755 -3.275 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 5 CD1 LEU A 8 52.556 -32.768 -3.741 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 6 CD2 LEU A 8 51.082 -33.546 -1.799 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 7 C LEU A 8 48.166 -35.063 -4.824 1.00
> > 20.00 C
> > ATOM 8 O LEU A 8 47.822 -34.257 -5.568 1.00
> > 20.00 O
> >
> > but after refinement in phenix it becomes
> >
> > ATOM 1 N LEU A 8 50.734 -35.936 -5.935 1.00
> > 54.45 N
> > ATOM 2 CA LEU A 8 49.846 -35.185 -4.892 1.00
> > 51.89 C
> > ATOM 3 CB LEU A 8 50.377 -33.761 -4.516 1.00
> > 51.22 C
> > ATOM 4 CG LEU A 8 51.550 -33.730 -3.431 1.00
> > 59.27 C
> > ATOM 5 CD1 LEU A 8 52.457 -32.407 -3.635 1.00
> > 60.88 C
> > ATOM 6 CD2 LEU A 8 51.120 -34.090 -1.879 1.00
> > 55.50 C
> > ATOM 7 C LEU A 8 48.268 -35.042 -5.221 1.00
> > 47.92 C
> > ATOM 8 O LEU A 8 47.989 -34.282 -6.195 1.00
> > 47.32 O
> >
> > and the CD2 atom is now too far away to be part of the residue in
> Coot
> >
> > Is there an easy way to convert a PDB from Refmac into one which
will
> > behave itself when put through phenix.refine? I've tried using
> > phenix.pdb_tools and also putting the model through Molprobity and
> > hoping that that the output would be corrected.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Olly King
> >
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Re: [phenixbb] Autosol: MIRAS
by ash.k@aol.com
Satisfactory map means: I am expecting a coiled coil or helix bundle type of assembly and I could see some densities appropriate for helices. There are proper solvent channels and continuous stretches of densities.
More to add about data on this: the data is anisotropic and the longer 'c' axis and alignment of helical density along c axis support this. This also makes me think that perhaps map is sensible.
Few rounds of model building, refinement and DM has been successful to assign around 10 polyala helices and their distribution looks sensible from packing point of view. Now the problem is to assign the side chain. I was hoping to make use of Se locations for this. R and Rfree are still random, in the range of 50%. I am not sure, but it could be perhaps because most of the scattering material is still unassigned.
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From: Francis E Reyes <Francis.Reyes(a)colorado.edu>
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Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:07 am
Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Autosol: MIRAS
This one is solvable, but with extreme difficulty. I recently completed a structure solution with experimental phases starting at 5.0 A using phase information from multiple derivatives.
How would you describe a somewhat satisfactory map?
F
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:08 PM, ash.k(a)aol.com wrote:
Hi Shya,
I did wavelength scan, got a good signal for Se and used appropriate wavelengths for data collection and also used experimental f' and f'' values for phasing. I think the reasons SAD or MAD for SeMet data is not working are (i) low resolution: 3.7 for SeMet (Anomalous data is up to 4.8A) (ii) I should have mentioned this earlier: 3 out of 6 Se are very close to N-terminus, possible they are disordered. Unit cell is also some what big..100, 120 and 320A; F222 space group.
AK
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Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:29 am
Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Autosol: MIRAS
Hi AK,
Did you do a wavelength scan when you collected the SE dataset you
need to put the values of f' and f'' from your wavelength scan in
order to locate the heavy atom sites, 6 methionine should be enough to
phase your molecule.
Shya
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:25 PM, <ash.k(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to solve a structure through experimental phasing using AUTOSOL.
> I have a couple of heavy atom derivative datasets (Hg, La, Eu, Cd) and also
> a SeMet data. Unfortunately all the datasets are of low resolution
> (3.7-4.2A) and there are possibly 4-8 molecules in the asu. MIR, SAD and MAD
> alone did not give any convincing solution.
>
> However, MIRAS, with a combination of few heavy atom datasets and the
> anomalous data from SeMet crystals, gave a somewhat satisfactory map. But
> the heavy atom site picked by AUTOSOL list only one of the heavy atoms i.e.
> Lanthanum. In another set of run, the solution of which was not convincing,
> the heavy atom substructure had only Hg. There are 6 Met out of 200 residues
> in one molecule and mass spec results show that Se incorporation is 100%.
>
> Now, my doubt is that why does the heavy atom substructure contain only La
> and how can I get the substructure involving Se from this solution (or the
> datasets used)? Se location is going to help me a lot for finding a
> starting point to assign side chains.
>
> Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> AK
>
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Re: [phenixbb] Coot mutation of Asp residue to isoAsp residue
by Zhijie Li
Hi Xiao,
You need a cif file for the IAS, because IAS is not included in the standard monomer lib. Please see the attached IAS.cif I made from ASP.cif.
Compared to ASP.cif, this file has the following changes:
1) compound 3-letter code to IAS,
2) compound name to 'isoASPARTIC-ACID '
3) _chem_comp.group to L-aminoacid (so that coot won’t think it is part of a standard L-peptide and try to link next aa to the C atom. We want the CG to be linked to next N now.)
The file seems to work for coot (you should be able to drag the IAS around when you have done “import CIF dictionary” with it). Hopefully it will work for refmac and phenix.refine too .
Zhijie
From: Xiao Lei
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:56 PM
To: Zhijie Li
Cc: PHENIX user mailing list
Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Coot mutation of Asp residue to isoAsp residue
Hi Zhejie,
For the 1AT6 structure, I downloaded its density in coot using "fetch density from EDS", but when I found the IAS at 101 position and try to do real space refine, it gives an error that "Refinement setup failure. Failed to find restraints for IAS."
I do not know how to fix this but it seems to me it's caused by incomplete restraints dictionary or monomer library in ccp4?
Thanks.
Xiao
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Xiao Lei <xiaoleiusc(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Zhijie,
Thank you very much for the information. For step 1 you mentioned, I can get monomer with L-Asp but it seems I can not drag it (or I do not know how to do) and can not delete or modify it to become isoAsp. I will try play around more though.
Xiao
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Zhijie Li <zhijie.li(a)utoronto.ca> wrote:
Hi Xiao,
IsoAsp is essentially an L-Asp linked with next aa through its side chain (beta) carboxyl. So the mutation button won’t help you. You need to build in a new L-ASP, which is treated as a covalently linked ligand (HETATM records), instead of a standard residue (ATOM records) of the protein chain.
A practical method might be: 1) delete the original Asp, 2) import a free L-Asp using “get monomer”, delete its hydrogen atoms and drag it into the density, delete one oxygen atom on the beta-carboxyl and change the residue’s numbering and chain id to fit it into the sequence, 3) edit the PDB, if necessary, to turn the ASP into a ligand (a HETATM record inside the chain).
For step 3, you may need to rename the ASP to something else (IAS was used for isoASP in older pdb, so I would go with IAS ) so that coot won’t try to make a regular peptide bond using its main chain carboxyl during real space refinement. Of course you will need to make a cif file for the “new” compound too. I guess you can make a copy of ASP.cif from the monomer library and change everything in it to IAS. I think if you have placed the IAS to the right location and its ends are in bonding distance with the neighbouring aa residues you may not need to do anything for refmac. For phenix.refine you will need to add a bond description to the .edit file for each linkage the IAS makes to the neighboring aas.
You may take a look at the structure 1AT6 and its PDB file. The residue IAS 101 is an example of isoASP. Note that the IAS atoms are HETATM in the chain and there are two LINK records in the header to indicate its linkage to neighbouring aas (LINK records are normally not generated or needed during refinement using refmac or phenix.refine).
Zhijie
From: Xiao Lei
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 6:50 PM
To: PHENIX user mailing list
Subject: [phenixbb] Coot mutation of Asp residue to isoAsp residue
Dear Phenixbb members,
I suspect one Asp residue in my model may be an isoAsp (isomerization of Asp). I am asking if there is way to mutate Asp residue to isoAsp(isoaspartic acid) residue in coot GUI (I'm using coot 0.8.1 EL in Mac OS X10.10.5)?
I know there is a mutation button on coot, but the mutated aa lists are all natural amino acids. If I have to delete the Asp residue first and then build isoAsp into the density map, is there a way in coot to build an isoAsp residue in map?
Thanks ahead.
Xiao
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Re: [cctbxbb] bootstrap.py on windows
by richard.gildea@diamond.ac.uk
Hallo Horst,
I think this is probably a problem that the previous runs of bootstrap failed part way through building Python, and now when you're running it again it is skipping building Python because the base directory exists (and --skip-if-exists is set). However base/bin/python does not exist, so it fails. Perhaps you could try removing the base directory before re-running the script?
Cheers,
Richard
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Sent: 06 April 2017 10:44
To: R. D. Oeffner
Cc: cctbxbb(a)phenix-online.org
Subject: Re: [cctbxbb] bootstrap.py on windows
Hallo Rob,
Richard (Gildea) has figured this out for me -- I was using python 2.7.8 and that's the first part of the problem. I updated to 2.7.13 and the initial issues to do with ssl are solved.
I am still stuck at the end:
****************************************************************************
Automated CCTBX dependencies build script
report problems to cctbx-dev(a)cci.lbl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>
****************************************************************************
Base directory already exists and --skip-if-exists set; exiting.
===== Running in build: run configure.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bootstrap.py", line 2113, in <module>
run()
File "bootstrap.py", line 2108, in run
enable_shared=options.enable_shared,
File "bootstrap.py", line 1036, in run
i.run()
File "bootstrap.py", line 189, in run
raise RuntimeError("Could not run %s: File not found" % executable)
RuntimeError: Could not run base\bin\python: File not found
What is it looking for? Please note: this is *not* a development machine.
Greetings
Horst
On 6 April 2017 at 10:17, R. D. Oeffner <rdo20(a)cam.ac.uk<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Horst,
I'll look into that. FYI you can also get Windows builds of CCTBX. See email below. You may have to resort using bundles from a few days ago because the two last nightly builds on windows are broken.
Rob
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Subject: Re: Windows builds for cctbx
There should now be CCTBX builds for Windows in the most recent folders on
http://cci.lbl.gov/cctbx_build . They are just the sources and the build
directory zipped into an archive and does not include an installation
program like the graphical Phenix installer for Windows. Presumably people
wanting to use only CCTBX are sufficiently computer savvy to cope with this.
Rob
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Subject: [cctbxbb] bootstrap.py on windows
Hello
I am trying to install the cctbx on a Windows 7 64 bit machine using the following bootstrap.py file:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cctbx/cctbx_project/master/libtbx/auto_bu…
The script will fail, unless I comment out lines 1101 and 1102:
#if self.isPlatformWindows():
#tarurl, arxname, dirpath = MODULES.get_module(module)().get_tarauthenticated(auth=self.get_auth())
If it tries to execute the commented lines, the error will be "KeyError: 'cciuser' in line 590"
After commenting this out, it will fail in line 271, with "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '_create_unverified_context'"
I can get round that with disabling line 247:
if sys.platform == "win32":
(i.e. change this to if sys.platform == "xxx":)
After that, things start downloading. All appears well until the same thing happens again in another bootstrap.py file in \modules\cctbx_project\libtbx\auto_build\bootstrap.py
If I disable *that*, it goes further but fails finally with
===== Running in build: run configure.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bootstrap.py", line 2113, in <module>
run()
File "bootstrap.py", line 2108, in run
enable_shared=options.enable_shared,
File "bootstrap.py", line 1036, in run
i.run()
File "bootstrap.py", line 189, in run
raise RuntimeError("Could not run %s: File not found" % executable)
RuntimeError: Could not run base\bin\python: File not found
I guess the automatic tests haven't picked this up, because no authentication is needed, maybe?
Greetings
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8 years, 2 months

Re: [cctbxbb] bootstrap.py build on Ubuntu
by Billy Poon
Hi David,
Sorry it look so long! Setting up all the virtual machines was a time sink
and getting things to work on 32-bit CentOS 5 and Ubuntu 12.04 was a little
tricky.
It looks like Ubuntu 16.04 moved its libraries around. I used apt-get to
install libz-dev and lib64z1 (the 64-bit library). There is a libz.so.1
file in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu and in /usr/lib64.
I have not gotten it to work yet, but I'm pretty sure this is the issue.
I'll have to double-check 12.04 and 14.04.
As for Pillow, I did test it a few months ago, but I remember there being
API changes that will need to fixed.
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On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 2:04 AM, David Waterman <dgwaterman(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Billy,
>
> I'm replying on this old thread because I have finally got round to trying
> a bootstrap build for DIALS out again on Ubuntu, having waited for updates
> to the dependencies and updating the OS to 16.04.
>
> The good news is, the build ran through fine. This is the first time I've
> had a bootstrap build complete without error on Ubuntu, so thanks to you
> and the others who have worked on improving the build in the last few
> months!
>
> The bad news is I'm getting two failures in the DIALS tests:
>
> dials/test/command_line/tst_export_bitmaps.py
> dials_regression/test.py
>
> Both are from PIL
>
> File
> "/home/fcx32934/dials_test_build/base/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PIL/Image.py",
> line 401, in _getencoder
> raise IOError("encoder %s not available" % encoder_name)
> IOError: encoder zip not available
>
> Indeed, from base_tmp/imaging_install_log it looks like PIL is not
> configured properly
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> PIL 1.1.7 SETUP SUMMARY
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> version 1.1.7
> platform linux2 2.7.8 (default_cci, Jun 10 2016, 16:04:32)
> [GCC 5.3.1 20160413]
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> *** TKINTER support not available
> *** JPEG support not available
> *** ZLIB (PNG/ZIP) support not available
> *** FREETYPE2 support not available
> *** LITTLECMS support not available
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Any ideas? I have zlib headers but perhaps PIL can't find them.
>
> On a related note, the free version of PIL has not been updated for years.
> The replacement Pillow has started to diverge. I first noticed this when
> Ubuntu 16.04 gave me Pillow 3.1.2 and my cctbx build with the system python
> produced failures because it no longer supports certain deprecated methods
> from PIL. I worked around that in r24587, but these things are a losing
> battle. Is it time to switch cctbx over to Pillow instead of PIL?
>
> Cheers
>
> -- David
>
> On 7 January 2016 at 18:12, Billy Poon <bkpoon(a)lbl.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Since wxPython was updated to 3.0.2, I have been thinking about updating
>> the other GUI-related packages to more recent versions. I would probably
>> update to the latest, stable version that does not involve major changes to
>> the API so that backwards compatibility is preserved. Let me know if that
>> would be helpful and I can prioritize the migration and testing.
>>
>> --
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>> Research Scientist, Molecular Biophysics and Integrated Bioimaging
>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>> 1 Cyclotron Road, M/S 33R0345
>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>> Tel: (510) 486-5709
>> Fax: (510) 486-5909
>> Web: https://phenix-online.org
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Nicholas Sauter <nksauter(a)lbl.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I notice that the Pango version, 1.16.1, was released in 2007, so
>>> perhaps it is no surprise that the latest Ubuntu does not support it.
>>> Maybe this calls for stepping forward the Pango version until you find one
>>> that works. I see that the latest stable release is 1.39.
>>>
>>> This would be valuable information for us..Billy Poon in the Phenix
>>> group is supporting the Phenix GUI, so it might be advisable for him to
>>> update the Pango version in the base installer.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Nicholas K. Sauter, Ph. D.
>>> Computer Staff Scientist, Molecular Biophysics and Integrated Bioimaging
>>> Division
>>> Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>> 1 Cyclotron Rd., Bldg. 33R0345
>>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>>> (510) 486-5713
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 8:54 AM, David Waterman <dgwaterman(a)gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again
>>>>
>>>> Another data point: I just tried this on a different Ubuntu machine,
>>>> this time running 14.04. In this case pango installed just fine. In fact
>>>> all other packages installed too and the machine is now compiling cctbx.
>>>>
>>>> I might have enough for comparison between the potentially working
>>>> 14.04 and failed 15.04 builds to figure out what is wrong in the second
>>>> case.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> -- David
>>>>
>>>> On 7 January 2016 at 09:56, David Waterman <dgwaterman(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently tried building cctbx+dials on Ubuntu 15.04 following the
>>>>> instructions here:
>>>>> http://dials.github.io/documentation/installation_developer.html
>>>>>
>>>>> This failed during installation of pango-1.16.1. Looking
>>>>> at pango_install_log, I see the command that failed was as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../..
>>>>> -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/home/fcx32934/sw/dials_bootstrap_test/base/etc\"
>>>>> -DLIBDIR=\"/home/fcx32934/sw/dials_bootstrap_test/base/lib\"
>>>>> -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -I../.. -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
>>>>> -I/home/fcx32934/sw/dials_bootstrap_test/base/include
>>>>> -I/home/fcx32934/sw/dials_bootstrap_test/base/include/freetype2 -g -O2
>>>>> -Wall -MT fribidi.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/fribidi.Tpo -c fribidi.c -fPIC
>>>>> -DPIC -o .libs/fribidi.o
>>>>> In file included from fribidi.h:31:0,
>>>>> from fribidi.c:28:
>>>>> fribidi_config.h:1:18: fatal error: glib.h: No such file or directory
>>>>>
>>>>> The file glib.h appears to be in base/include/glib-2.0/, however this
>>>>> directory was not explicitly included in the command above, only its
>>>>> parent. This suggests a configuration failure in pango to me. Taking a look
>>>>> at base_tmp/pango-1.16.1/config.log, I see what look like the relevant
>>>>> lines:
>>>>>
>>>>> configure:22227: checking for GLIB
>>>>> configure:22235: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "$GLIB_MODULES"
>>>>> configure:22238: $? = 0
>>>>> configure:22253: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "$GLIB_MODULES"
>>>>> configure:22256: $? = 0
>>>>> configure:22304: result: yes
>>>>>
>>>>> but this doesn't tell me very much. Does anyone have any suggestions
>>>>> as to how I might proceed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> -- David
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