[phenixbb] phenixbb Digest, Vol 180, Issue 1 : Using a CryoEM density for MR

Tue Nov 10 09:46:19 PST 2020

Dear Almudena,

I'm assuming that you were testing the full mr phaser section in phenix and
tried the add map ensemble. This expects an mtz containing structure
factors, and where certain preparation has been done. A full description of
the steps required can be found in a prior publication (
https://www.nature.com/articles/nprot.2015.069?proof=t) from our group. In
short, you'll need to first convert your mrc map to structure factors
(there a command line utility for this in phenix, called
map_to_structure_factors). But you can't input this directly as an
ensemble, a series of other steps involving placing the map in a large P1
cell using phenix.cut_out_density (wit the option for_phaser set to True)
will also be required for it to work, and you'll need to give information
about the center and the extent of your map, as well as an estimation of
the errors in the map (in form of an rmsd). Only then you'll be able to use
the density for MR.

Within the framework of the new version of phaser under development,
phasertng, we are working on facilitating this MR approach, making it
automatic and robust, and investigating about the best ways to treat the
maps and to parameterise their search.  This is work in progress but we
have already some modes for map preparation for MR within phasertng, so we
will also be happy, if you share with us the file off-line, to provide you
with the prepared structure factors file. Otherwise, if you need any help
in following the steps of the previous protocol, we will also provide the
support.

Best wishes,

Claudia

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> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:16 +0100
> From: "John Berrisford" <jmb at ebi.ac.uk>
> To: "'Pavel Afonine'" <pafonine at lbl.gov>,       "'Armando Albert'"
>         <xalbert at iqfr.csic.es>, <phenixbb at phenix-online.org>
> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Number of unique reflections
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> Dear Armando and Pavel
>
> During the deposition process we compare two values
>
> _reflns.number_obs
>
> http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Items/_reflns.number_
> obs.html
> <http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Items/_reflns.number_obs.html>
> And
> _refine.ls_number_reflns_obs
>
> http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Items/_refine.ls_numb
> er_reflns_obs.html
> <http://mmcif.wwpdb.org/dictionaries/mmcif_pdbx_v50.dic/Items/_refine.ls_number_reflns_obs.html>
>
> We expect the number of observed reflections to be higher (or the same) as
> the number of reflections used in refinement.
> We would expect that these two mmCIF items handle Friedel pairs
> consistently
> - if the number of reflections observed is reported with Friedel pairs
> separately then the number of reflections in refinement should also report
> Friedel pairs separately.
>
> My assumption here is that there is a mismatch in reporting these values.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> John
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> <phenixbb-bounces at phenix-online.org> On Behalf Of Pavel Afonine
> Sent: 20 October 2020 18:16
> To: Armando Albert <xalbert at iqfr.csic.es>; phenixbb at phenix-online.org
> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Number of unique reflections
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> Hi Armando,
>
> > We have realise that the output  mtz and mmcif files duplicate the
> > number of miller indices (the number of unique reflections) with
> > respect to those in the mtz input file. We guessed that this
> > correspond to the friedel pairs,
>
> data handling machinery in Phenix (cctbx) counts F+ and F- as separately,
> that is (1, 1, 2) and (-1, -1, -2) are two entries, not one.
>
> > but it is annoying for pdb submission, as the server warns that the
> observations measured are less that those used in the refinement.
> > What shall we do fro correct this issue?
>
> Perhaps talk to PDB stuff and suggest to make the process less annoying...
>
> I'm not sure what we can do at our end. I guess if we count them as one
> then
> I'm sure some one will come around asking 'why you are counting two
> reflections as one?'.
>
> Pavel
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> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 16:58:47 -0500
> From: Shramana Chatterjee <schatter90 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [phenixbb] Anomalous signal
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> Hi,
>
> How can I find anomalous signal for Zn-metal to be sure whether Zn is
> binding or not, for an already processed dataset?
>
> It would be very helpful if I get any suggestion.
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> Thank you in advance.
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> From: Roger Rowlett <rrowlett at colgate.edu>
> To: Shramana Chatterjee <schatter90 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Anomalous signal
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> You may not need to see an anomalous signal to determine if zinc is bound
> unless you are trying to discriminate from other metals. Zinc will have
> characteristic coordination geometry (tetrahedral typically) and
> characteristic Zn-N and Zn-O bond lengths close to 2.0 A.
>
> Roger Rowlett
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 4:59 PM Shramana Chatterjee <schatter90 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > How can I find anomalous signal for Zn-metal to be sure whether Zn is
> > binding or not, for an already processed dataset?
> >
> > It would be very helpful if I get any suggestion.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 10:32:31 +0100
> From: Gerg? G?gl <gogl.gergo at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Anomalous signal
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> You can try with ANODE to get an anomalous map for your structure.
>
> Gergo
>
> Roger Rowlett <rrowlett at colgate.edu> ezt ?rta (id?pont: 2020. nov. 5., Cs,
> 1:06):
>
> > You may not need to see an anomalous signal to determine if zinc is bound
> > unless you are trying to discriminate from other metals. Zinc will have
> > characteristic coordination geometry (tetrahedral typically) and
> > characteristic Zn-N and Zn-O bond lengths close to 2.0 A.
> >
> > Roger Rowlett
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 4:59 PM Shramana Chatterjee <schatter90 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> How can I find anomalous signal for Zn-metal to be sure whether Zn is
> >> binding or not, for an already processed dataset?
> >>
> >> It would be very helpful if I get any suggestion.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance.
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> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 13:36:16 +0100
> From: Almudena Ponce Salvatierra <maps.farma at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [phenixbb] mrc maps as a molecular replacement model
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> Hi everybody,
>
> I would like to use a cryo-EM map for MR, however, I get an error message
> as I try to provide it to phaser:
>
> "Phenix did not recognize the file type for xxx.mrc"
>
> My Phenix version is 1.17.1-3660-000
>
> What should I do?
>
> Thank you very much
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