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Sulfur SAD
by mohamed noor 07 Aug '15

07 Aug '15

Dear all Would you have some tips on collecting datasets for S-SAD at a 'normal' beamline (tunable from 0.5-2.5 A)? How helpful/important is it to use mini kappa? Thanks.

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fedora 22 phenix 1.9 installation
by Agnieszka Kiliszek 06 Aug '15

06 Aug '15

Dear All, I want to install new phenix 1.9 but I got error: ========================================================================= PHENIX Installation version: 1.9 release tag: 1692 machine type: intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64 source machine type: intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64 OS version: linux user shell: /bin/bash destination: /usr/local ========================================================================= =============================== ERROR =================================== intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64 is not a supported platform, installation aborted use the --try-unsupported option to attempt installation on this platform use the --no-gui option for a core PHENIX installation =============================== ERROR ======================= It looks like I have double x86_64 in the machine type and it doesn't want to install phenix. Using --try-unsupported gives me these: ~/phenix-installer-1.9-1692/bundles/bundle-1.9-1692-intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64.tar.gz neither source nor binary available, exiting installation. In these folder I have file bundle-1.9-1692-intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64.tar.gz so I have changed name to bundle-1.9-1692-intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64.tar.gz but again got error finding installed versions finding binary versions cat: build/intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64/version: No such file or directory no pre-existing binary components detected installing new binary package configuring PHENIX components I checked log and got these: /home/gusia/programy/phenix-installer-1.9-1692/bin/install-from-binary: line 359: /usr/local/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-4.1.3-200.fc22.x86_64-x86_64/base/bin/python: No such file or directory What can I do to install phenix? Agnieszka

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R vs Geometry (branched off from: [ccp4bb] Rfree at low resolution: how reliable is it, really?)
by Keller, Jacob 03 Aug '15

03 Aug '15

Dear Crystallographers, In following the thread on Rfree reliability, and in the context of a structure I am currently polishing, I have started to wonder what is the ideal way to weight geometry versus R values. I had always thought the rationalization for using geometric restraints was actually to help R values to decrease eventually, since the truth about one’s protein structure is much more likely to agree with the thousands of molecules already solved than with the particularities of the model one has built or the reflection data under consideration. What happens, though, when one’s R values are, say, 2% or even 5% lower with less weight on geometry? It seems to me that this is a gray area, and it would be great to have some sort of general rule. I know that Phenix has a weight-optimization protocol which uses parallel runs with different weights, but I am curious what method is used to decide which one was best? There may not, however, be such a general rule, since I suppose this question is one we always encounter in science. For example, in fitting a few data points, when does one abandon the use of a linear model in favor of something more sophisticated? Or maybe, indeed, someone *has* discovered some reasonable way of approaching this? All the best, Jacob Keller

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symmetry file for Phenix merging statistics
by Xiao Lei 03 Aug '15

03 Aug '15

Hi Phenixbb members, I am trying to use "phenix merging statistics" tool, and I have an unmerged sca file from HKL2000, because the unmerged HKL2000 output does not have unit cell information, so I also need to input a symmetry file, how can I find the symmetry file? Is there a way to generate a symmetry file? Thanks ahead. Xiao

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Anisotropic B-factors with Trucated Data
by Keller, Jacob 02 Aug '15

02 Aug '15

Dear Crystallographers, I have a dataset which was artificially truncated at 1.7 Ang by the limitations of our setup, but the resolution is probably 1.5 Ang or so. I would like to try running anisotropic B refinement in Phenix, but am not sure how to tweak to get this to happen. I know about the parameter:measurement ratio concept, but I think it may still be better than isotropic. NB the dataset is also 42% twinned. All the best, Jacob Keller ******************************************* Jacob Pearson Keller, PhD Looger Lab/HHMI Janelia Research Campus 19700 Helix Dr, Ashburn, VA 20147 email: kellerj(a)janelia.hhmi.org *******************************************

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Radiation-sensitive dataset and molecular replacement
by mohamed noor 31 Jul '15

31 Jul '15

Dear all I have a crystal that diffracted to about 3.5 A for the first 5 degrees and rapidly decayed after that. With xia2, I can get a good dataset to 6 A (CC1/2, I/sigma etc.) using all the frames. I can also process the first good frames with obviously low completeness (20%). As I only want to check if molecular replacement can be done before investing time on experimental phasing (not expecting miracles here and not publishing this yet), should I bother running Phaser? The closest search model only covers about 20 % of the protein with 20 % identity. Thanks.

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Berkeley Server Downtime
by Paul Adams 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

Dear Colleagues, as part of final commissioning of our new building there will be a power outage to the Computational Crystallography Initiative server room. As a result several structural biology web services will be offline for a short while. These include: - The Phenix web site (http://phenix-online.org/) - The DIALS West web site (http://dials.lbl.gov/) - The CCI web site (http://cci.lbl.gov/) - The Structural Biology Technology Portal (http://technology.sbkb.org/) The servers will be shutdown at 5pm Pacific time on Thursday 30th (i.e. tonight). Services should resume by the morning of Friday August 31st. During the downtime bug reports and emails requesting help should be queued and received by us once the servers are back online. We greatly appreciate your understanding, and hope that this doesn’t present too much of an inconvenience. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Adams Deputy Division Director, Physical Biosciences Division, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Division Deputy for Biosciences, Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Adjunct Professor, Department of Bioengineering, U.C. Berkeley Vice President for Technology, the Joint BioEnergy Institute Laboratory Research Manager, ENIGMA Science Focus Area Building 33, Room 347 Building 80, Room 247 Building 978, Room 4126 Tel: 1-510-486-4225, Fax: 1-510-486-5909 http://cci.lbl.gov/paul Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road BLDG 33R0345 Berkeley, CA 94720, USA. Executive Assistant: Louise Benvenue [ LBenvenue(a)lbl.gov ][ 1-510-495-2506 ] --

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Re: [phenixbb] mr_rosetta pause & resume
by Juergen Koepke 30 Jul '15

30 Jul '15

Dear Tom, I found in the phenixbb exactly my case discribed as you wrote on July 22nd, 2013 on reply of Morten Grøftehauge: Hi Morten, Yes, you'll need to specify the start_point (otherwise it will start from the beginning considering the solutions you have in the .pkl file along with ones that it finds along the way). I don't know if rosetta3.5 makes a difference in mr_rosetta; I'd be happy to hear from anyone on this. All the best, Tom T but unfortunately after launching the command "phenix.mr_rosetta mr_rosetta_params.eff start_point=rosetta_rescore mr_rosetta_solutions=./rebuild_results.pkl" I get the following error message: Sorry: Unable to create temporary directory MR_ROSETTA_3 Error message is: The directory MR_ROSETTA_3 could not be created (it may already exist) but this looks not logical to me since I am in directory MR_ROSETTA_3 because I want to restart were the program stopped after the crash. Do I have to restart the program from within another directory or what ist the trick? I must admit I first started without the start_point=rosetta_rescore until I realized the program had started my job from the very beginning. Thus i killed the processes again and tried the above with the start_point included. Has my previous attempt already confused something? __________________________________ Dr. Juergen Koepke Project Leader ESFRI-Instruct Core Centre Max-Planck-Inst. of Biophysics Dept. Molecular Membrane Biol. Max-von-Laue Str. 3 D-60438 Frankfurt/Main Germany T: [49] 69 6303 1055 F: [49] 69 6303 1002 C: [49] 151 2263 6736 Email: juergen.koepke(a)biophys.mpg.de URL: https://registration.cc.biophys.mpg.de

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Re: [phenixbb] Extract coordinates from PDB file
by Zhijie Li 29 Jul '15

29 Jul '15

With a little modification it can be more specific ;) : grep -e '.\{12\} CA .\{61\}C' 1PRW.pdb But not so ideal for multi-model NMR structures: grep -e '.\{12\} CA .\{61\}C' 1cff.pdb Zhijie -----Original Message----- From: Pavel Afonine Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:59 PM To: Tanner, John J. ; phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org ; Ashok Nayak Subject: Re: [phenixbb] Extract coordinates from PDB file John, that may include Calcium or similarly called atoms in ligands -;) But if you know there are none in your structure then your solution would do the job and much faster! Pavel On 7/29/15 14:53, Tanner, John J. wrote: > grep " CA " file.pdb > ca.pdb > > Sent from Jack's iPhone > >> On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Pavel Afonine <pafonine(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>> I wish to extract xyz coordinates of Calpha atoms from the PDB file of >>> my interest. >>> Is there a program in Phenix or CCP4 for the same? >> some examples: >> >> - this will select all CA atoms: >> >> phenix.pdb_atom_selection model.pdb "name CA" >> >> - this will select CA atoms in chain A and chain B: >> >> phenix.pdb_atom_selection model.pdb "name CA and (chain A or chain B)" >> >> - this will select all Carbon atoms: >> >> phenix.pdb_atom_selection model.pdb "element C" >> >> - this will select all atoms with alternative conformation id A: >> >> phenix.pdb_atom_selection model.pdb "altloc A" >> >> etc etc etc - this can be very detailed and flexible. >> >> Pavel >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org _______________________________________________ phenixbb mailing list phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org

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Extract coordinates from PDB file
by Ashok Nayak 29 Jul '15

29 Jul '15

Dear Phenix BB, I wish to extract xyz coordinates of Calpha atoms from the PDB file of my interest. Is there a program in Phenix or CCP4 for the same? Suggestions are highly appreciated. Thanks in advance Ashok Nayak Grad Student GN Ramachandran Structural Biology Lab., MSB Div CSIR-CDRI Lucknow India

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weird problem with autosol
by Almudena Ponce Salvatierra 28 Jul '15

28 Jul '15

Dear all, I give autosol a list of HA sites generated with SHARP, an mtz file and the sequence of my protein and I get the following: "Invalid MTZ column_types for the given miller_array." DO you know if this is a bug? Or something else? my mtz contains all the relevant columns, so I don't understand why I get such a message. Thanks a lot in advance. Best, Almudena -- Almudena Ponce-Salvatierra Macromolecular crystallography and Nucleic acid chemistry Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry Am Fassberg 11 37077 Göttingen Germany

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Covalent Linker
by Courtney Daczkowski 27 Jul '15

27 Jul '15

We are currently trying to build a model that has a nonstandard ligand that is covalently bonded to two peptide chains. We've placed the ligand and linked it using Coot, but phenix.refine keeps removing the links. We generated the restraints using Elbow and wrote the .edits file using phenix.link_edits, but phenix.refine is still removing the links. We also tried turning on automatic ligand linking in phenix.refine, but that didn't work either. Any advice? Thanks. Courtney

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Parameters of a metal ion do not change during refinement
by Ezequiel Noguera 27 Jul '15

27 Jul '15

I added a Cu(II) ion in a blob of density using Coot (this metal is used in crystallization solution). When I refined using phenix, I noted that occupancy does not change from the arbitrary value that I set in Coot, and negative density remains when refinement is complete. When I manually adjust occupancy to 0.3, phenix changes it to 0.29, and no negative density is seen, however B-factor does not move from my arbitrary setting of 30 in Coot. I worry if something is wrong in my refinement strategy. I thank any suggestion.Some additional information: my mtz is merged F's, resolution is 1.3 A, refinement strategy includes XYZ coordinates, Occupancies and Individual B-factors. Ezequiel

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on refine related to b-factor
by Smith Liu 25 Jul '15

25 Jul '15

Suppose a 500-aa protein crystal structure has a flexible loop of 30 aas, and the loop fragment has a relatively high b-factor (above 100) in comparison with the whole protein b-factor. Is any refine strategy we can refine so that the b-factor of that loop fragment will be decreased? Smith

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Phenix Autobuild error
by Xiao Lei 25 Jul '15

25 Jul '15

Hi All, I am using Phenix autobuild (version 1.10pre on CentOS) and I failed with an error message (I put it below). My input experimental data (in MTZ format) is 2.5A, with space group C2, and 1 molecule per ASU (No NCS copies), the molecule contains two protein chains and one double-strand DNA (heterodimer protein bound to dsDNA). It seems to me the error is because in my model PDB there are different atoms in DNA with the same name. How can I fix this problem? Error message from phenix.refine: number of groups of duplicate atom labels: 4 total number of affected atoms: 8 group "HETATM 4930 O3' DT C 716 .*. O " "HETATM 5471 O3' DT C 716 .*. O " group "HETATM 4937 C7 DT C 716 .*. C " "HETATM 5472 C7 DT C 716 .*. C " group "HETATM 4950 O3' DG C 717 .*. O " "HETATM 5473 O3' DG C 717 .*. O " group "HETATM 4964 O6 DG C 717 .*. O " "HETATM 5474 O6 DG C 717 .*. O " Refinement failed... Thanks ahead. Xiao

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High B-factors and High Clash Score
by Edwin Lazo 24 Jul '15

24 Jul '15

Hi all, I am refining a structure that diffracted to 3.5 Angstroms and contains 6 monomers in the ASU. It is noteworthy to mention, in certain monomers, half their residues are missing (in other words no density). Initial b-factors after molrep were 118.585, R=0.32, and Rfree=0.40. Initial refinement was done with refmac and: mean b-value=117.344 R=0.31 Rfree=0.40 Refinement with Phenix (phenix-installer-dev-2054-intel-linux-2.6-x86_64-centos5) was performed and the Ramachandran plot was bad: OUTLIERS : 6.52 % ALLOWED : 13.67 % FAVORED : 79.82 % ROTAMER OUTLIERS : 7.18 % CBETA DEVIATIONS : 8 And final R=0.38 and Rfree=0.41. I then improved Ramachandran plot in coot and follow Pavel's suggestion: / - add H atoms: />>/ />>/ phenix.reduce model.pdb > model_H.pdb />>/ />>/ - then run a quick geometry regularization:*(**T**his part I**did in coot. phenix.**pdb**tools model_H.pdb --geom and phenix.pdbt**ools model_H.pdb --geometry**-**restraints do not work)* />>/ />>/ phenix.pdbtools model_H.pdb --geom />>/ />>/ - then strip off H: />>/ />>/ phenix.reduce -trim model_H_regularized.pdb > start.pdb />>/ />>/ - then run refinement using NCS and Ramachandran plot restraints: />>/ />>/ phenix.refine start.pdb def_data.mtz main.ncs=true --overwrite />>/ output.prefix=def2 main.number_of_mac=5 ramachandran_restraints=true />>/ rama_potential=emsley strategy=individual_sites+**individual_adp />>/ />>/ - then take outcome of previous refinement and run the same refinement />>/ plus weights optimization: />>/ />>/ phenix.refine def2_001.pdb def_data.mtz main.ncs=true --overwrite />>/ output.prefix=def3 main.number_of_mac=5 ramachandran_restraints=true />>/ rama_potential=emsley strategy=individual_sites+**individual_adp />>/ optimize_xyz=true nproc=6 /My current stats are as follows: Final R=0.35 Final Rfree=0.38 ALL-ATOM CLASHSCORE : 173.74 RAMACHANDRAN PLOT: OUTLIERS : 2.27 % ALLOWED : 4.61 % FAVORED : 93.13 % ROTAMER OUTLIERS : 36.26 % CBETA DEVIATIONS : 6 Wilson B-Value: 108.4 Mean B-value: 108.997 I am unsure how to proceed from here. I am planning on removing some side chains which have no density and then refining with Rama. restraints. I can also send my mtz and pdb if that would help. The stats when I processed the data are as follows from xia2 -3d (xds, xscale): High resolution limit 3.50 15.65 3.50 Low resolution limit 109.96 109.96 3.59 Completeness 94.1 90.5 91.5 Multiplicity 4.8 5.1 3.2 I/sigma 11.3 26.5 2.4 Rmerge 0.118 0.068 0.458 Rmeas(I) 0.144 0.080 0.605 Rmeas(I+/-) 0.144 0.083 0.584 Rpim(I) 0.062 0.036 0.311 Rpim(I+/-) 0.081 0.047 0.358 CC half 0.992 0.994 0.791 Wilson B factor 90.052 Anomalous completeness 86.9 93.6 71.3 Anomalous multiplicity 2.4 3.0 1.8 Anomalous correlation -0.262 -0.440 -0.052 Anomalous slope 1.005 0.000 0.000 Total observations 169836 2234 7765 Total unique 35071 442 2464 Assuming spacegroup: P 21 21 21 Unit cell: 73.010 180.780 219.910 90.000 90.000 90.000 Any help would greatly be appreciated, -- Edwin Lazo Scientific Associate Life Science and Biomedical Technology Research Resource National Synchrotron Light Source II Building 745 Upton, NY 11973 Office:(631)344-7247 Fax:(631)344-5059

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Posting to List
by Courtney Daczkowski 24 Jul '15

24 Jul '15

I would like to be able to post questions to all users. Thank you for your time, Courtney -- Courtney Marie Daczkowski ------------------------------------------------- PhD in Pharmacutical and Biomedical Science University of Georgia 2019 ------------------------------------------------- Masters in Biology Georgia Southern University 2014 ------------------------------------------------- Bachelors of Science James Madison University 2011

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Phenix GUI big reporting
by Nigel Moriarty 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Folks One of the features of the Phenix GUI is the bug reporting which allows a user to send a program traceback. This allows the developers to zero in on the line that causes the problem but it is much easier if we have the inputs. This is why we ask that you include you email se we can work with you to resolve the problem ASAP. One of the weaknesses of the current system is that it relies on the user typing their email address correctly. If it is incorrect, we are sending replies that bounce. This happens occasionally and it's almost impossible to track the user down. We can also only assume, given that this misstyped user is sending in more reports, that he is getting frustrated. To that end, I'm naming names. If you typed in jwaning(a)umich.edu please contact us or fix the email in your preferences. Cheers Nigel --- Nigel W. Moriarty Building 33R0349, Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Berkeley, CA 94720-8235 Phone : 510-486-5709 Email : NWMoriarty(a)LBL.gov Fax : 510-486-5909 Web : CCI.LBL.gov

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Announcing the 2015 EMDataBank Map Challenge
by Cathy Lawson 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Dear PhenixBB List Members, EMDataBank/Unified Data Resource for 3DEM is pleased to announce the 2015 Map Challenge. All members of the Scientific Community--at all levels of experience--are invited to participate as Challengers, and/or as Assessors. Seven benchmark raw image datasets have been selected for the challenge. Six are selected from recently described single 3D electron microscopy single particle structure determinations with image data collected as multi-frame movies; one is based on simulated (in silico) images. Challengers are sought to create single particle reconstructions from the targets, and then to upload their results with associated details. Assessors are sought to participate in evaluating submitted reconstructions. Registration is now open for all interested participants. Challengers may submit maps between August and December. Before submissions open, all are encouraged to provide feedback on submission requirements. An open assessment period will commence in early 2016. To learn more about this challenge and to register, please visit http://challenges.emdatabank.org and click on "MAP CHALLENGE" in the menu bar. The map challenge is the first of two community-wide challenges being sponsored by EMDataBank this year to critically evaluate 3DEM methods that are coming into use, with the ultimate goal of developing validation criteria associated with every 3DEM map and map-derived model. The second challenge, focused on creating coordinate models from 3DEM maps, will be announced later this year. Sincerely, Cathy Lawson on behalf of the EMDataBank Team and the Map Challenge Committee emdatabank.org www.facebook.com/emdatabank3dem

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Short contact with symmetry mate
by Ashok Nayak 23 Jul '15

23 Jul '15

Dear Phenix BB, I am refining a helical bundle structure where I have been obtaining an invariant short contact (close to 2A) at a Glu residue with Lys of symmetry related molecule of one helix of the bundle. I had been using Rigid body, TLS, occupancy and Indv ADP for the refinement (which gave the best Rfree values). If I include coordinate refinement the short contact seems to be gone rather with higher Rfree values. I ll appreciate some suggestions regarding this. Thank you in advance. Ashok Nayak CSIR-CDRI Lucknow, India

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NIH Request for Information about Technology Development
by Paul Adams 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Dear Colleagues, my apologies for the slightly off-topic and US-centric posting, but I felt this was of sufficient interest to the structural biology community at large. The NIH, specifically the National Institute of General Medical Sciences, is in the process of considering how best to support the development of biomedical technologies, and access to those technologies. They have issued a request for information: http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-GM-15-118.html This covers a very broad range of biomedical activities, including the development of new hardware and software for techniques such as NMR, crystallography, SAXS, and cryo-EM. It also includes the provision of technologies through facilities such as synchrotrons and other national research centers. For those of us in the US this provides an excellent, and rare, opportunity for researchers to voice their thoughts about how important technology development and national facilities are to the success of structural biology research. Please note that the deadline for response is August 7th. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Adams Deputy Division Director, Physical Biosciences Division, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Division Deputy for Biosciences, Advanced Light Source, Lawrence Berkeley Lab Adjunct Professor, Department of Bioengineering, U.C. Berkeley Vice President for Technology, the Joint BioEnergy Institute Laboratory Research Manager, ENIGMA Science Focus Area Building 33, Room 347 Building 80, Room 247 Building 978, Room 4126 Tel: 1-510-486-4225, Fax: 1-510-486-5909 http://cci.lbl.gov/paul Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Road BLDG 33R0345 Berkeley, CA 94720, USA. Executive Assistant: Louise Benvenue [ LBenvenue(a)lbl.gov ][ 1-510-495-2506 ] --

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histidine flip in refinement
by Joel Tyndall 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Hi all, We are trying to optimise a histidine interaction where NE2 would ideally make a hydrogen bond with an adjacent tyrosine hydroxyl. The starting point contains the hydrogen bond. However upon refinement the ring flips (chi2 x 180 degrees) to place the CE1 adjacent to the tyrosine hydroxyl. Is it possible to stop this as I see no reason why phenix.refine would want to do this Regards Joel _________________________________ Joel Tyndall, PhD Associate Professor in Medicinal Chemistry National School of Pharmacy University of Otago PO Box 56 Dunedin 9054 New Zealand Skype: jtyndall Ph: +64 3 479 7293

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Newest phenix version for Unix cluster
by Xiao Lei 20 Jul '15

20 Jul '15

Hi All, I'd like to download the newest phenix version ( 1.10pre-2104 July13th2015 nightly build) and install it on HPC cluster (Unix system). Is CentOS 5 ok for my purpose? It seems for a 64bit linux this is the only download option: 64-bit Linux (Intel/AMD) Kernel 2.6 (64-bit; CentOS 5) [ download command-line installer ] Thanks ahead. Xiao

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Re: [phenixbb] pdb LINK record lost after phenix refine in GUI
by Pavel Afonine 17 Jul '15

17 Jul '15

Hi Lu, could it be that you define a conflicting restraint? On one hand you want that O-C bond to be 1.44A (that's what I see on your picture), on the other hand you want that H to be reasonable distance apart from O (and not 1.14A). I would guess if you want to define that bond you nee to delete H first. Could this explain what you observe? Pavel On 7/16/15 18:38, luzuok wrote: > Dear Pavel, > Thank you for your explanation. > After adding the bond restrain and refinement, the position of the > hydrogen from the bonded atom of the ligand seems not reasonable. This > hydrogen is too close to the other bonded atom. I can even see this H > atom links to two atom. > It seems that the riding H of C23 cannot see the OG neighbouring > to it. > > Best wishes! > Lu > > > -- > 卢作焜 > 南开大学新生物站A202 > > Lu Zuokun, Ph.D. Candidate > College of Life Science, Nankai University > > At 2015-07-16 23:07:49, "Pavel Afonine" <pafonine(a)lbl.gov > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi Lu, > > seeing the link in graphics and actually having bond defined in > refinement are two different things. Refinement uses standard > restraints and those you define on top of that. Visualization > tools use standard bonding patterns to show you the bonds (and > sometimes also use distance based connectivity, such as Pymol). > Visualization tools are unlikely to guess anything on top of that. > > So if you want to have specific bond in refinement, then tell > refinement program to add it (and checking .geo file is not a bad > idea to verify that it was actually added). Seeing that bond on > graphics is a different story and it is outside the scope of > Phenix refinement. Check documentation of visualization program > you use to learn what's required to see what you want to see. > > Pavel > > On 7/16/15 00:54, luzuok wrote: >> >> Dear Pavel and Nigel, >> >> I can see: >> >> bond pdb=" OG SER A 265 " >> pdb=" C23 AIX A 700 " >> ideal model delta sigma weight residual >> 1.330 1.339 -0.009 2.00e-01 2.50e+01 2.16e-03 >> >> I think this bond is what I want. >> >> If I want to _see_ this bond in graphical tool, like coot or >> pymol, Do I have to add a link record in PDB? >> >> You are right Nigel, I made a mistake of python and Phenix version. >> >> Best withes! >> Lu >> >> -- >> >> Lu Zuokun, Ph.D. Candidate >> College of Life Science, Nankai University >> >> 在 2015-07-16 14:21:24，"Pavel Afonine" <pafonine(a)lbl.gov> 写道： >> >> All connectivity information is in .geo file: check it to see >> if the bind in question is present there. >> phenix.refine does not read/write LINK records given that all >> info is in .geo file, and input (custom) linking is specified >> via custom bonds using atom selection syntax (or clicking in >> the GUI). >> >> Pavel >> >> On 7/15/15 18:04, luzuok wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> Although Custom geometry restrains was added (see log). >>> After phenix refine, the link record was lost and there seem >>> no bond between this two atoms (1.44 angstrom). >>> Do you think this is a real bond? How to maintain this record? >>> Any comment is appreciated! >>> Best regards! >>> >>> Data resolution: 2.4 >>> Phenix version:v2.7 >>> >>> phenix refine log: >>> ======================== Summary of geometry restraints >>> ======================= >>> >>> Number of disulfides: simple=1, symmetry=0 >>> Simple disulfide: pdb=" SG CYS A 482 " - pdb=" SG CYS >>> A 484 " distance=2.04 >>> Custom bonds: >>> bond: >>> atom 1: "ATOM 1205 OG SER A 265 .*. O " >>> atom 2: "HETATM 3413 C23 AIX A 700 .*. C " >>> symmetry operation: x,y,z >>> distance_model: 1.339 >>> distance_ideal: 1.330 >>> ideal - model: -0.009 >>> slack: 0.000 >>> delta_slack: -0.009 >>> sigma: 0.2000 >>> Total number of custom bonds: 1 >>> Time building geometry restraints manager: 0.20 seconds >>> >>> pdb file LINK record: >>> LINK OG SER A 265 C23 AIX A 700 >>> 1555 1555 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Lu Zuokun, Ph.D. Candidate >>> College of Life Science, Nankai University >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> phenixbb mailing list >>> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >>> http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >>> Unsubscribe:[email protected] >> >> >> > > >

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Map alignment
by Mullins, Elwood A. 17 Jul '15

17 Jul '15

All, Is it possible to align two structures and two maps without moving both to a P1 box? This seems to be the default, if not the only, option in Structure Comparison and Superpose Maps. Thank you, Elwood Elwood A. Mullins, Ph.D. <> elwood.mullins(a)vanderbilt.edu<mailto:[email protected]> <> tel 615.936.5234 <> fax 615.343.6707

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pdb LINK record lost after phenix refine in GUI
by luzuok 16 Jul '15

16 Jul '15

Dear all, Although Custom geometry restrains was added (see log). After phenix refine, the link record was lost and there seem no bond between this two atoms (1.44 angstrom). Do you think this is a real bond? How to maintain this record? Any comment is appreciated! Best regards! Data resolution: 2.4 Phenix version:v2.7 phenix refine log: ======================== Summary of geometry restraints ======================= Number of disulfides: simple=1, symmetry=0 Simple disulfide: pdb=" SG CYS A 482 " - pdb=" SG CYS A 484 " distance=2.04 Custom bonds: bond: atom 1: "ATOM 1205 OG SER A 265 .*. O " atom 2: "HETATM 3413 C23 AIX A 700 .*. C " symmetry operation: x,y,z distance_model: 1.339 distance_ideal: 1.330 ideal - model: -0.009 slack: 0.000 delta_slack: -0.009 sigma: 0.2000 Total number of custom bonds: 1 Time building geometry restraints manager: 0.20 seconds pdb file LINK record: LINK OG SER A 265 C23 AIX A 700 1555 1555 -- Lu Zuokun, Ph.D. Candidate College of Life Science, Nankai University

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phenix.superpose_ligands
by cedric bauvois 16 Jul '15

16 Jul '15

Dear all, I would like to superimpose a small organic compound (file format sdf) on a small peptide (file format pdb). Is there a way to use phenix.superpose_ligands to this ? thank you for your help Cédric -- .................................................................. Dr. Cedric Bauvois Cristallographie des protéines Institut de Recherches Microbiologiques J.-M. Wiame -IRMW Campus CERIA - Av. E. Gryson, 1 B-1070 Bruxelles, BELGIUM e-mail: Cedric.Bauvois(a)ulb.ac.be tél: +32 (0)2 5273634 fax: +32 (0)2 5267273 ..................................................................

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simulated annealing composite omit map or iterative build composite omit map at 2.7A resolution
by Xiao Lei 15 Jul '15

15 Jul '15

Dear Phenixbb members, I am thinking of generating a composite omit map for my whole structure model (the model is solved by phaser MR in CCP4 and refined by phenix.refine program, results of phenix.refine shows Rfree/Rwork is 27% / 20%. The resolution of data is 2.7A). From previous phenix posts and information from internet, I know there are four composite omit map types in Phenix: "simple"; "refine"; "simulated annealing" and "iterative build" composite omit map. Because I want to get rid of model bias as much as possible, I am thinking of choosing either "simulated annealing" or "iterative build" method, though I know it needs much longer time to run. I know "iterative build" composite map option is more powerful to get rid of model bias as I found in phenix manual that "A more powerful approach is to generate an "iterative-build" omit map (Terwilliger et al. 2008), which rebuilds the structure instead of annealing." But at the "autobuild-iterative guild omit map" manual it also said "The AutoBuild Wizard produces a refined model that can be nearly complete if the data are strong and the resolution is about 2.5 A or better. At lower resolutions (2.5 - 3 A) the model may be less complete and at resolutions > 3A the model may be quite incomplete and not well refined." My questions are: 1. As the resolution of my data is 2.7A, does this mean Simulated annealing composite map option is better for me in this case? 2. Inside phenix panel, there are two map tools for generating composite omit map, one is "Composite omit map" tool and the other is "Autobuild-iterative build omit map" tool. I tried the "composite omit map" tool with simulated annealing option with my refined model and original x-ray data, in the output file I only get 2mFo-DFc map (I know this is by default) but no pdb output, I am guessing this is because in this "composite omit map" tool my model is not modified (or refined) by the program, just the composite omit map is generated, am I right? If I am right, does this mean the following step is to open the output map in coot with my model, and do manual adjustment of the model in the regions which does not fit the map? 3. In the "autobuild-iterative build omit map" tool, there is also an option of "simulated annealing" composite omit map, is this option the same as the "simulated annealing" option in the "composite omit map" tool and will give the same output (just the 2mFo-DFc map by default, not modifying my model) ? 4. If I use iterative-build composite map with this 2.7A resolution, I'm guessing I will get a modified or refined pdb model output and a composite 2mFo-DFc map, but my model may not be complete because of the resolution, does this mean I have to manually add the missing part of model in the following step? 5. Is there an option to generate composite omit mFo-DFc map along with composite 2mFo-Fc map at the same time? Thanks ahead. Xiao

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The difference of using data label "Imean and SigImean" or "F and SigF" in Phenix
by Xiao Lei 15 Jul '15

15 Jul '15

Dear All, I am using Phenix1.9-1962 version on Mac OS X 10.10.3. I notice in Phenix refinement or composite omit map GUI panel, there is an option for me to select data labels. I have two options of data labels: one is "Imean and SigImean"; the other is "F and SigF". My experimental data is from a single crystal diffraction set, after convert scale file (.sca) to mtz file using scalepack2mtz in ccp4, I have a mtz file output. I checked the mtz file using viewhkl program, it shows I have both Imean, SigImean, and F, SigF columns. Is there any difference between the data label choices in these phenix programs? Xiao

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message after refinement
by Almudena Ponce Salvatierra 14 Jul '15

14 Jul '15

Dear all, after refinement of my nucleic acid structure with phenix.refine I get: "warning: rms deviation from ideal geometry (bonds and/or angles) is suspisciously high. You may need to optimize X-ray stereochemistry weighting" However when I move to the molprobity tab I see no outliers no anything... looking weird. I even more wonder where this comes from because the fact is that I had one refinement with no warnings or anything and today I repeated the same, exactly the same, except for the fact that I renumbered one of the chains. Now all out of a sudden (I know it doesn't sound scientific at all), I get this warning regarding the rmsd when I was actually considering that the refinement stage was over. Does anybody have a theory regarding where the problem might be here? Thanks a lot in advance. Best wishes, Almudena -- Almudena Ponce-Salvatierra Macromolecular crystallography and Nucleic acid chemistry Max Planck Institute for Biophysical Chemistry Am Fassberg 11 37077 Göttingen Germany

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Refinement with new mtz.file
by Aleksandar Bijelic 14 Jul '15

14 Jul '15

Dear CCP4 user and experts, I refined (with PHENIX) a 3.0 A dataset obtaining Rfree of about 0.24 (with good geometry according to Ramachandran, Beta Outliers, etc.) .... Everything seems to be ok (especially in relation to the resolution) .... because the mtz.file I used was quite old and I cannot find my xscale.hkl file, I processed the data set again (this time with optimizng and polishing) and received a "better" file according to almost everything (resolution limit, I/sigma, CC(1/2), Rmeas), thus I used this new mtz.file and put it in my last refinement step (the refinement which led to the above mentioned Rfree = 0.24). Suprisingly, the refinement starts at Rwork = 0.18 and Rfree = 0.19 but ending up with 0.20 and 0.22, respectively. So I wanted to know if this is usual? I was expecting my data to become slightlly better but what is irritating me is the starting R-values of the refinement and that it get worse during refinement. Maybe I did something wrong? Is it reasonable to replace the mtz.file with a new one in the last refinement step or should I start the refinement from the scratch? In the sake of completeness, I deleted the header of the used pdb.file because of the R-flag error which occurs, since Phenix reconizes that the pdb.file was already used with other Rflags. Sorry, but I am still a beginner in this field, so I would be very grateful if somebody could explain me this situation and my mistake and if I need to start refinement from the beginning. Thank you in advance! Best Regards. Aleksandar -- ------------------------------------------- Aleksandar Bijelic, MSc. Institut für Biophysikalische Chemie Universität Wien Althanstrasse 14 A-1090 Wien Tel: +43 1 4277 52536 e-Mail: aleksandar.bijelic(a)univie.ac.at --------------------------------------------

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Set up Simulated Annealing starting tempreture
by Xiao Lei 14 Jul '15

14 Jul '15

Dear Phenixbb members, I'm learning phenix this days. I use phenix refinement and found there is a simulated annealing option (SA Cartesian or SA torsion option). However, I found the SA cartesian starts at 5000K and SA torsion starts at 2500K by default, and I'd like to change the starting temperature by myself. I search phenix manual and found: To change starting SA temperature: % phenix.refine data.hkl model.pdb simulated_annealing=true \ strategy=individual_sites simulated_annealing.start_temperature=10000 I do not understand this, does this mean I have to type the above command in somewhere in phenix? is there a place I can simply put SA start temperature numbers in? Xiao

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NCS and R-Values Hung up at 0.42/0.46 for 2.1Å resolution
by John Bruning 11 Jul '15

11 Jul '15

I collected two datasets of the same ligand bound structure at 2.4 and 2.1 Å resolution. The apo structure has already been solved to 2.2Å resolution in P31 (and P3121 for SeMet). After processing each dataset as both P31 and P3121 in MOSFLM, I proceeded with MR with Phaser using sequential partial search models to place either 3 copies in the ASU for P3121, or 6 copies for P31. (The previously solved apo structure had 6 copies of the same protein in the ASU). *** in summary two datasets, processed as both P31 or P3121 After running xtriage for either .mtz, I get this warning about NCS: Distance to origin : 56.728 Height relative to origin : 26.388 % Translational pseudo-symmetry is very likely present in these data. Be aware that this will change the intensity statistics and may impact subsequent analyses, and in practice may lead to higher R-factors in refinement. Regardless, I can proceed with the MR using sequential partial search models to place either 3 copies (P3121) or 6 copies (P31) with decent solutions (i.e. packing looks good upon inspection, scoring looks appropriate -> SOLU SET RFZ=2.8 TFZ=8.3 PAK=13*LLG*=-37 *LLG*=2199 as an example). However, I did get the following somewhat expected warnings: Number of known components (1) not divisible by 2: Translational *NCS* correction not applied Large non-origin Patterson peak indicates that translational *NCS* is present Upon any attempt at initial refinement (with a number of different strategies), the R-factors are hung up > 0.42 (for example in the P3121, 2.1Å case): Start R-work = 0.4966, R-free = 0.5133; Final R-work = 0.4231, R-free = 0.4477 My concern is that there is some pathology that is not being recognized (merohedral twinning) or that the NCS/pseudosymmetry is not being addressed appropriately. -- Cheers, John

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Re: [phenixbb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Phenix; converting a map to structure factors
by Pavel Afonine 11 Jul '15

11 Jul '15

Hi Mark, Tom copied me your email. > As I'm sure you are aware there is tremendous interest in building > into and refining against low resolution (by X-ray standards) EM maps. > Could you comment to the phenix BB about whether its appropriate to > convert maps to reciprocal space and use ML refinement? While it is a possible way of doing this (and this is how it's been done in the past) I don't think it is a good route to follow. In case of cryo-EM your data is map, so why not just refine against the map? Why take a detour through reciprocal-space by converting map into structure factors (=manipulating your original data) and doing reciprocal space using refinement programs that were designed for crystallography? With this in mind we have developed a new refinement tool in Phenix (it is still in active development!) called phenix.real_space_refine that is designed to refine atomic models directly into maps (any map: X-ray, neutron, cryo-EM, low or high resolution), for quick summary see http://phenix-online.org/presentations/real_space_refine.pdf as well as documentation page (at the bottom): http://phenix-online.org/documentation/ and newsletter article (page 43): http://phenix-online.org/newsletter/CCN_2013_07.pdf Let me know if you have any questions or comments! Pavel

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atom vdW dictionary for Python
by David Shin 11 Jul '15

11 Jul '15

Hi - I'm writing a Python script to measure the volume of pockets within protein structures - plus extra bells and whistles... thus a custom job. I was wondering just for speed, if someone could point me to values for van der Waals radii that are somewhat agreed upon for protein atoms, or if there is some dictionary already made that someone could point to that resides in phenix or some other structural biology package that would be ok for me to copy/use. Thanks, Dave

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Re: [phenixbb] [ccp4bb] Phenix; converting a map to structure factors
by Terwilliger, Thomas Charles 11 Jul '15

11 Jul '15

Hi Reza, Just use: phenix.map_to_structure_factors map.ccp4 d_min=2.5 or something like that, All the best, Tom T On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Reza Khayat wrote: Hi, Is it possible to convert a map to structure factors using Phenix? Thanks. Best wishes, Reza Reza Khayat, PhD Assistant Professor City College of New York Department of Chemistry New York, NY 10031

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NCS and R-Values Hung up at ~0.42/0.46
by John Bruning 10 Jul '15

10 Jul '15

Hi Everyone, I collected two datasets of the same ligand bound structure at 2.4 and 2.1 Å resolution. The apo structure has already been solved to 2.2Å resolution in P31 (and P3121 for SeMet). After processing each dataset as both P31 and P3121 in MOSFLM, I proceeded with MR with Phaser using sequential partial search models to place either 3 copies in the ASU for P3121, or 6 copies for P31. (The previously solved apo structure had 6 copies of the same protein in the ASU). *** in summary two datasets, processed as both P31 or P3121 After running xtraige for either .mtz, I get this warning about NCS: Largest Patterson peak with length larger than 15 Angstrom: Frac. coord. : 0.333 -0.333 -0.153 Distance to origin : 56.728 Height relative to origin : 26.388 % p_value(height) : 2.659e-03symmetry. Translational pseudo-symmetry is very likely present in these data. Be aware that this will change the intensity statistics and may impact subsequent analyses, and in practice may lead to higher R-factors in refinement. Regardless, I can proceed with the MR using sequential partial search models to place either 3 copies (P3121) or 6 copies (P31) with decent solutions (i.e. packing looks good upon inspection, scoring looks appropriate -> SOLU SET RFZ=2.8 TFZ=8.3 PAK=13*LLG*=-37 *LLG*=2199 as an example). However, I did get the following somewhat expected warnings: Number of known components (1) not divisible by 2: Translational *NCS* correction not applied Large non-origin Patterson peak indicates that translational *NCS* is present Upon any attempt at initial refinement (with a number of different strategies), the R-factors are hung up > 0.42 (for example in the P3121, 2.1Å case): Start R-work = 0.4966, R-free = 0.5133 Final R-work = 0.4231, R-free = 0.4477 *** best R-factors from ~ 15 different strategies My concern is that there is some pathology that is not being recognized (merohedral twinning) or that the NCS/pseudosymmetry is not being addressed appropriately. Any suggestions in troubleshooting this would be much appreciated, as I have pretty much exhausted everything I could think of. -- Cheers, John

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(no subject)
by Ashok Nayak 10 Jul '15

10 Jul '15

Dear Phenixites, I have a helical bundle structure, where in I wish to understand by what rotation and about which axis the dimers are inter-related. What I get from the superposition with Superpose is the transformation matrix and not the axis, and the angles are also elusive. Ashok Nayak CSIR-CDRI Lucknow, India --

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Axis of Rotation
by Ashok Nayak 10 Jul '15

10 Jul '15

Dear Phenixites, I have a helical bundle structure, where in I wish to understand by what rotation and about which axis the dimers are inter-related. What I get from the superposition with Superpose is the transformation matrix and not the axis, and the angles are also elusive. Thanks in advance -- Ashok Senior Research Fellow - Dr JV Pratap, Lab No-LSN 008 Molecular and Structural Biology Division Central Drug Research Institute, Janakipuram Extension Lucknow-226031 India

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rosetta.build_phenix_interface problem
by Appu kumar 09 Jul '15

09 Jul '15

Dear All, I have installed Rosetta on Linux machine. When i am issuing the command " rosetta.build_phenix_interface" it is giving me following error scons: Building targets ... scons: *** [build/src/release/linux/2.6/64/x86/gcc/4.4/python/libObjexxFCL.so] Implicit dependency `/usr/local/lib/libdl.so' not found, needed by target `build/src/release/linux/2.6/64/x86/gcc/4.4/python/libObjexxFCL.so'. scons: building terminated because of errors. Would you please give me your valuable suggestions to successfully carry out the Rosetta refinement. Thank you Appu

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Rosetta Refinement problem
by Appu kumar 09 Jul '15

09 Jul '15

Dear All, I have installed Rosetta successfully on Linux machine and after installation it say building done. While refining a structure with "phenix.rosetta_refine" it is giving following problem End of input processing Sorry: The RosettaScripts executable could not be located. Please add the appropriate directory to your PATH environment variable, or set the variable ROSETTA_BIN to point to it. In my .cshrc file i have setup the path as follow setenv PHENIX_ROSETTA_PATH /home/appu/2014_09_29_NSLS_X29/rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle setenv ROSETTA_BIN /home/appu/2014_09_29_NSLS_X29/rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle/main/source/bin setenv phenix /home/appu/software/phenix/phenix-1.9-1692 setenv ROSETTA3_DB /home/appu/2014_09_29_NSLS_X29/rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle/main/database I would appreciate any help and suggestions in executing the Rosetta refinement Thank you Appu

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Problem with python while running Autobuild
by Tam＠em.uni-frankfurt.de 09 Jul '15

09 Jul '15

Dear all, I am currently facing a problem of python while running the Autobuild in Phenix. phenix.autobuild data=data1.mtz model=model.pdb seq_file=protein.dat rebuild_in_place=False \ composite_omit_type=iterative_build_omit then it stopped with error Error in `/home/mauricetam/software/phenix-1.9-1692/build/intel-linux-2.6-x86_64/base/bin/python2.7': free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x0000000003e100a0 *** I wonder what's wrong with it. Regards Heng-Keat

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problems with rosetta
by Benny Belviso 09 Jul '15

09 Jul '15

Dear all, I am trying to use rosetta with the Phenix Gui (Phenix is installed on Debian). I have downloaded the tar.gz file named "rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle" that contains source and binary files. Becouse the tar.gz contains pre-compiled files, I have not compiled rosetta again (however, I have the same problems also in the case of tar.gz containing source after the compilation). According to the instructions showed on http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Phenix#Installa… I have setup my environmental variables in .bashrc as: export PHENIX_ROSETTA_PATH=/home/bbdanilo/program/rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle export ROSETTA3_DB=$PHENIX_ROSETTA_PATH/main/database However, by opening MR-Rosetta on Phenix GUI, I get a first warning message that says me that rosetta directory seems to be not correct. By running rosetta, the program says that it is not able to find PHENIX_ROSETTA_PATH. I have tried to change the path also in the "Directory setup" by typing /home/bbdanilo/program/rosetta_bin_linux_2015.25.57927_bundle as directory for rosetta path /main/source/bin as Rosetta binary directory name mr_protocols.linuxgccrelease as binary of rosetta In this case, the program says that does not find the binary for rosetta (it requires mr_rosetta.default, instead I should use mr_protocols.linuxgccrelease). What am I doing wrong? Any help is welcome. Thanks. Danilo This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system, you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.

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Re: [phenixbb] on determination whether a protein is a monomer or complex by phenix
by Valerie Pye 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

Hi Smith, Your solvent content is most likely the 66% one (if you have diffraction to about 1A there's a chance it could be 33%.....in which case try to solve it with Balbes (ccp4)). You can not tell what the crystal packing is like until you solve the structure! Even if you know how many molecules you have in your a.s.u. you can not tell if the contacts are formed because of crystal packing or oligo formation! Its much better to look at your protein in solution for this (as i said before!) Cheers, val On 7 July 2015 at 03:17, Smith Liu <smith_liu123(a)163.com> wrote: > Dear Valerie and all, > > My space group is I422 (attached image for I422). There are 2 solutions > for Mathews coefficient, one is solvent content 66.76%, the other is > 33.52%. Based on this message and the attached images, how can we know > whether my protein is a monomer (for example, monomer protein only exist in > the "+" position), a tetramer (or crystal packing as a "tetramer", each > chain exist in the "+" position, and each chain so close to each other so > that they contact each other and a tetramer forms), a 8-subunit protein > complex (or crystal packing as a " 8-subunit protein complex ", each 2 > chains exist in the "+" position, and each 2 chians so close to each other > so that they contact each other and a 8-subunit protein complex form)? > > I am looking forward to getting a reply from you. > > Best regards. > > Smith > > > > > > At 2015-07-07 00:34:32, "Valerie Pye" <valpye(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Smith, > > I'm fairly sure you can not tell the oligomeric state of your protein from > an mtz and your sequence. > What you can do is calculate the Matthews co-efficient with your given > unit cell parameters and size of monomer to see how many copies of your > monomer you may have in the a.s.u. > The difficulty lies in the fact that if say you have 4 copies of your > protein in the a.s.u - this doesn't necessarily mean you have a tetramer - > they could be 4 monomers related by n.c.s - or 2 dimers.... > Is it possible to solve your structure? Then you confirm your space group > and number of molecules in the a.s.u. - then look at the area of contact > between monomers to see if they are likely to be because of multimerisation > or crystal packing. > > Totally agree with Tim that a better way (which you'd probably want to do > to back-up a multimeric crystal structure) is by SEC or native PAGE. You > could also try SAXS, SEC-MALS, EM, or DLS depending on the size of protein > you're looking at. You'd also want to know that you have a clean oligomer > and not an aggregate ;) > > Good luck, > > val > > On 6 July 2015 at 12:21, Smith Liu <smith_liu123(a)163.com> wrote: > >> Dear Tim, >> >> I mean based on the mtz file, can I know whether I will get a PDB file of >> a monomer or dimer, or trimer, or tetramer or oligomer? >> >> Best regards. >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> >> >> At 2015-07-06 18:14:03, "Tim Gruene" <tg(a)shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de> wrote: >> >Dear Smith, >> > >> >I would say that size exclusion chromatography or native PAGE are better >> >experimental techniques than crystallography for this type of question. >> > >> >Best regards, >> >Tim >> > >> >On 07/06/2015 11:20 AM, Smith Liu wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> >> >> >> >> Suppose I have got a mtz file, and I know the aa sequence of the protein from which I got the crystal and the corresponding mtz file, will you please tell me which phenix function (program) can tell me whether my protein crystal was formed by protein monomer or by protein complex, and if formed by protein complex, how many subunits existing in the complex? >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> Smith >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> phenixbb mailing list >> >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> >> http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> >> Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org >> >> >> > >> >-- >> >-- >> >Dr Tim Gruene >> >Institut fuer anorganische Chemie >> >Tammannstr. 4 >> >D-37077 Goettingen >> >phone: +49 (0)551 39 22149 >> > >> >GPG Key ID = A46BEE1A >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org >> http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb >> Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org >> > > > >

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Weird problem of Coot fetch PDB&Map using PDB_redo
by Xiao Lei 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

Hi All, Today I found one weird problem of coot. I have coot installed in different platforms, I have coot 0.8.1 version in Ubuntu 15.04 and coot 0.8.1 version in Mac OS X 10.10.3, and I also have wincoot 0.8.1 in Windows 8.1. When I tried to fetch pdb&map using EDS, coot in all three platforms works very well. However, when I tried to fetch pdb&map using PDB_redo, only the windows wincoot works, which shows "successfully read coordinates...". The coot in mac and Ubuntu failed to fetch and shows "failed to read coordinates file...". I do not think the problem comes from PDB_redo as I tried to fetch the same pdb to compare coot in three platforms, only wincoot works well. I do not know if anyone else has this problem and how to fix it. Thanks ahead. Xiao

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on determination whether a protein is a monomer or complex by phenix
by Smith Liu 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

Dear All, Suppose I have got a mtz file, and I know the aa sequence of the protein from which I got the crystal and the corresponding mtz file, will you please tell me which phenix function (program) can tell me whether my protein crystal was formed by protein monomer or by protein complex, and if formed by protein complex, how many subunits existing in the complex? Best regards. Smith

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Re: [phenixbb] phenix rosetta refine
by kaiser 06 Jul '15

06 Jul '15

Thanks, Nigel! <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nigel Moriarty <nwmoriarty(a)lbl.gov> </div><div>Date:2015/07/06 14:11 (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Jens Kaiser <kaiser(a)caltech.edu> </div><div>Cc: phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org </div><div>Subject: Re: [phenixbb] phenix rosetta refine </div><div> </div>Jens I believe that is all true and correct. Cheers Nigel --- Nigel W. Moriarty Building 64R0246B, Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Berkeley, CA 94720-8235 Phone : 510-486-5709 Email : NWMoriarty(a)LBL.gov Fax : 510-486-5909 Web : CCI.LBL.gov On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Jens Kaiser <kaiser(a)caltech.edu> wrote: Nigel, Sorry for the late reply, I was away from the office last week. Yes, I did follow these instructions. At the moment I'm using rosetta_bin_linux_2015.22.57859_bundle and phenix-1.10pre-2084. I requested 20 models (which I get) but there are rosetta_##.sh files created that are empty and subdirectories _ros_temp?????? that contain files with _adp_refine in their names. I'm just wondering if it is really running as intended. Cheers, Jens On Mon, 2015-06-29 at 10:25 -0700, Nigel Moriarty wrote: > Jens > > > Have you followed the instructions? > > > http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/reference/rosetta_refine.html > > > Cheers > > > Nigel > > > --- > Nigel W. Moriarty > Building 64R0246B, Physical Biosciences Division > Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > Berkeley, CA 94720-8235 > Phone : 510-486-5709 Email : NWMoriarty(a)LBL.gov > Fax : 510-486-5909 Web : CCI.LBL.gov > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Jens Kaiser <kaiser(a)caltech.edu> > wrote: > Hey there, > who would be the person to talk about setting up > phenix.rosetta_refine? I tried our SBgrid installation with > overrides to > "nightly" for phenix and rosetta; I tried a clean install of > rosetta and > phenix - production version and nightly's in all combinations > - and all > combinations of compiling (rosetta first, then > rosetta.build_phenix_interface, phenix first, then > rosetta.build_phenix_interface). The problem is that > "phenix.rosetta_refine" seems to run, and produce a log file > that looks > reasonable, but geometry params are worse than with an > ordinary refine. > I think I tracked it down to the fact that the "rosetta_XX.sh" > files are > empty, and rosetta actually does not run. > > Any help is welcome - and any support will be extended. > > Cheers, > > Jens > > _______________________________________________ > phenixbb mailing list > phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org > http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > Unsubscribe: phenixbb-leave(a)phenix-online.org > >

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phenix rosetta refine
by Jens Kaiser 06 Jul '15

06 Jul '15

Hey there, who would be the person to talk about setting up phenix.rosetta_refine? I tried our SBgrid installation with overrides to "nightly" for phenix and rosetta; I tried a clean install of rosetta and phenix - production version and nightly's in all combinations - and all combinations of compiling (rosetta first, then rosetta.build_phenix_interface, phenix first, then rosetta.build_phenix_interface). The problem is that "phenix.rosetta_refine" seems to run, and produce a log file that looks reasonable, but geometry params are worse than with an ordinary refine. I think I tracked it down to the fact that the "rosetta_XX.sh" files are empty, and rosetta actually does not run. Any help is welcome - and any support will be extended. Cheers, Jens

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Re: [phenixbb] Optimal settings for finding NCS from density
by Terwilliger, Thomas Charles 05 Jul '15

05 Jul '15

Hi William, For find_ncs_from_density the shape of the molecule itself is not so important. What matters is if there is some local part of the molecule that is recognizable in both copies. So I would try default parameters first. I assume you did that and it didn't give you a useful answer...so then I would do these things: 1. try many locations : n_center_use=20 This is the best option...it will try 20 times using density at 20 different locations to search. If you have an older version of phenix you may need to download a nightly build to do this. 2. Try varying the resolution 3. Try varying the angular spacing of the search (delta_phi) All the best, Tom T ________________________________ From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB(a)JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of William Chao [William.Chao(a)CRICK.AC.UK] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 10:24 AM To: CCP4BB(a)JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Optimal settings for finding NCS from density Dear all, What would be the best settings to look for NCS using phenix.find_ncs_from_density on an elongated (~150A) molecule? No coordinate is available unfortunately and there should be 2 copies in a P21 space group. Many thanks in advance! William --- The Francis Crick Institute Limited is a registered charity in England and Wales no. 1140062 and a company registered in England and Wales no. 06885462, with its registered office at 215 Euston Road, London NW1 2BE.

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labelit access in Phenix?
by Keller, Jacob 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

Dear Phenix list, Does anyone know how to access labelit through Phenix to determine whether the highest possible symmetry has been found? I exclusively use the GUI, and it's on win7. In the labelit documentation/homepage it mentions the command: labelit.check_pdb_symmetry [pdb coordinate file] [data=mtz file] But I did not find any executables called labelit, nor can I figure out how to run Phenix from command line in Win7, short of installing Cygwin or something. JPK

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