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question du jour: monomer libs where?
by Patrick Loll 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

Where does PHENIX find the monomer libraries? Here's why I ask: I submit a refinement job for a peptide containing a mix of D- and L-amino acids. The program seems to have no problem with D-versions of Glu, Asn, or Phe (DGL, DAS, or DPN), but it flags the atoms in a D-ornithine (ORD) residue as having unknown nonbonded energy type symbols. Curiously, when I look in the relevant directories in ...Contents/phenix-1.8.1-1168/chem_data/chemical_components I can find cif files corresponding to ALL of these D-amino acids, including ORD (...chemical_components/o/data_ORD.cif). Files are also present for DGL, DAS, and DPN. However, these files don't contain all of the information I'm accustomed to seeing in monomer libraries (e.g., explicit bond lengths & angles), so I'm not sure if the same information is somehow encoded differently (via the idealized coordinates, perhaps?), or if I'm barking up the wrong tree. So: Are these the actual monomer libraries that phenix.refine consults? And in this case why doesn't phenix.refine recognize ORD? Or are the true monomer libraries hiding elsewhere? As always, thanks, Pat ps the directory structure I'm describing is under OS X 10.7.5 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick J. Loll, Ph. D. Professor of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology Director, Biochemistry Graduate Program Drexel University College of Medicine Room 10-102 New College Building 245 N. 15th St., Mailstop 497 Philadelphia, PA 19102-1192 USA (215) 762-7706 pjloll(a)gmail.com pat.loll(a)drexelmed.edu pat.loll(a)drexel.edu

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some basic questions about phenix autobuild and phenix.refine
by Niks 24 Oct '12

24 Oct '12

Dear All, I have recently started using PHENIX so I am a beginer in PHENIX field. I am getting better statistics (Rfactor/Rfree) as compared to REFMAC so having strong inclination to continue with PHENIX but there are some discripancies I found when comparing with CCP4 programs.Therefore i I have some basic questions which I request you to throw some light and wisdom. 1) I have solved my structure using AutoMR and got two files MR.1.mtz and MR.1.pdb as output with high LLG of 8236.889. When going for AutoBuild afterwards it uses output pdb (MR.1.pdb) which is fine but uses MR.1.mtz as map coefficient. Shouldnot it uses original mtz from scala? 2) Same in Phenix.refine when going after Autobuild finishes and it asks for refining the model it uses same AutoMR output mtz (MR.1.mtz). As I was suggested by many that we should use original mtz coming from scala for Refinement to reduce model bias. shouldnot phenix.refine use Original mtz file here too? 3) After going for AutoBuild after AutoMR, even when I unselect "Place Waters" options in parameters for Refinement, I see output pdb file with waters added to it. I do not want waters to be added till I refine my model to the best , but Autobuild option comes out with waters added. Is there anyway I can have autobuilt pdb without waters added? 4) Another question that troubling me most that in Phenix.refine even if I use original mtz which clearly specifies resoultion range from 127.488-2.5A my refined pdb files comes out with Resolution range used for refinement as 37.8-2.5A. I have tried to input low resolution range as 127.488 but deafult is always 37.8 selected. My data may be very poor in lower resolutions than 37.8A but my completeness is also going down (65.5% as opposed to 79.8% in REFMAC). Can I select my refinement using my specified values of Resolution from mtz file coming out from SCALA? Sorry for the lengthy mail and many questions. Thanks and regards Nishant PhD Student, C/O Dr. C. G. Suresh, National Chemical Laboratory, Pune, India -- "The most difficult phase of life is not when No one understands you;It is when you don't understand yourself"

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phenix GUI crash
by Sébastien Moniot 23 Oct '12

23 Oct '12

Hi, Little problem with the phenix GUI crashing ... we are running phenix via ssh login on a workstation and each time the REEL window or the graphical interface to make atom selection are called the whole GUI crashes. In the first case, only the following message is reported in the shell. --- segmentation fault ----- In the second case, --- (python2.7:29303) : Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_window_resize: assertion `width > 0' failed segmentation fault ---- Any idea how to fix this ? Best, Dr. Sebastien Moniot Department of Biochemistry University of Bayreuth Bayreuth, Germany

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hydrogen nomenclature
by Patrick Loll 23 Oct '12

23 Oct '12

Hi, I'm trying to sort out some monomer libraries for a high-resolution refinement involving non-canonical amino acids, but now I've become side-tracked with a hydrogen nomenclature issue that seems to affect even canonical amino acids. I will use the example of L-leucine to illustrate: In the CCP4 monomer library LEU.cif, the two hydrogens on CB are named HB1 and HB2. However, if I look at the LEU entry on the RCSB PDB site, these two hydrogens are named HB2 and HB3. Looking at pdbe.org is not too helpful, since it lists those two hydrogens as HB2 and HB3, but includes alternate "PDB names" of HB1 and HB2. Similar situations pertain for other atoms and other residues. Presumably I need to stick with the nomenclature found in the monomer library in order for refinement to work properly; but will this come back to bite me later when I submit coordinates to the PDB? Any insights welcome. Thanks, Pat

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Durandal clustering applied to homology models
by Quentin Delettre 22 Oct '12

22 Oct '12

Dear Phenix users, I am new to phenix and the Durandal tool, i would like to know if Durandal is an appropriate way to cluster many homology models of a protein. And if so, what is the syntax of the output ? The man page does not provide any information beside inputs commands. Thanks.

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problem installing Phenix 1.8.1 on Fedora16
by Marianna Biadene 22 Oct '12

22 Oct '12

Dear all, I am trying to install Phenix 1.8.1-1168 on my Linux 64bit, Fedora 16. If I try to install it in the default directory (/usr/local) I have no problem, but when I try to install it in /usr/local/bin using the command written in the documentation (http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/install.htm) ./install --prefix=</usr/local/bin> I got the following error message: -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' I am not a super expert in Linux and I have tried to search in Internet for a solution but I am lost. Any idea of how could I solve this problem? Thanks a lot, Marianna -- Dr. Marianna Biadene Division of Biological Chemistry - Group Prof. Scheffzek Biocenter Medical University Innsbruck Innrain 80 / 4 6020 Innsbruck Austria Phone: +43 512 9003 70336

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xyz and adp weight optimisation
by Alex Theodossis 19 Oct '12

19 Oct '12

Dear bb, I have made use of the target weight optimisation feature with great results. The question is, having optimised these weighting terms, how can I use the optimised values in subsequent runs without having to keep the optimisation option switched on? In the last round of refinement I get: Best XYZ weight: 9.000 Best ADP weight: 0.695 But the output .eff file does not seem to have saved these values for use in subsequent refinements: target_weights { optimize_xyz_weight = True optimize_adp_weight = True wxc_scale = 0.5 wxu_scale = 1 wc = 1 wu = 1 fix_wxc = None fix_wxu = None Is it appropriate to enter the optimised values in the fix_wxc and fix_wxu fields? Thanks in advance

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Re: [phenixbb] Metal Coordination and symmetry operation
by Pavel Afonine 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

Hi Alex, thanks for the file - I will have a closer look. Did you mean the restraint did not work or it worked but you wanted something else? (I'm just trying to understand if this is a Phenix problem that we need to fix). Pavel On 10/18/12 10:30 PM, Alex Theodossis wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > thanks for the info. With it I was able to correctly define the > symmetry-related links as per this example: > > refinement.geometry_restraints.edits { > bond { > action = *add > atom_selection_1 = name ZN and chain C and resname ZN and resseq > 1 > atom_selection_2 = name NE2 and chain A and resname HIS and altid > A and resseq 39 > symmetry_operation = -x+1,y+1/2,-z+1/2 > distance_ideal = 2.030000 > sigma = 0.050 > } > > Unfortunately, this didn't have the desired result. Instead, the > addition of riding hydrogens fixed the problem. > I've also attached the relevant fragment of the refined model as > requested. > > Cheers, > > Alex > > > > On 17 October 2012 13:04, Pavel Afonine <pafonine(a)lbl.gov > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > Nigel is the best person to reply, so he may provide more > comments. My understanding is that phenix.metal_coordination > command (or whatever the equivalent click in the GUI is) should > account for symmetry related atoms. If not you can fix it > manually. First create edits file using phenix.metal_coordination > and then add symmetry related bonds as described here: > > http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/refinement.htm#anch353 > > Also, could you please send me the PDB file or its portion > containing relevant to your question atoms and I will have a > closer look? > > Pavel > > > On 10/16/12 6:33 PM, Alex Theodossis wrote: >> >> Dear bb, >> >> I am trying to refine a Zn ion coordinated by symmetry >> related residues. To avoid groups being pushed away. I have >> use phenix.metal_coordination to >> generate the necessary link edits. However only non-symmetry >> related interactions are accounted for. Is there a relevant >> option I can switch on? >> Alternatively, does anyone have an example of the syntax >> required to define the necessary symmetry operations in the >> elbow.edits file? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> phenixbb mailing list >> phenixbb(a)phenix-online.org <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://phenix-online.org/mailman/listinfo/phenixbb > >

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Re: [phenixbb] Metal Coordination and symmetry operation
by Alex Theodossis 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

> > Dear bb, > > I am trying to refine a Zn ion coordinated by symmetry related residues. > To avoid groups being pushed away. I have use phenix.metal_coordination to > generate the necessary link edits. However only non-symmetry related > interactions are accounted for. Is there a relevant option I can switch on? > Alternatively, does anyone have an example of the syntax required to > define the necessary symmetry operations in the elbow.edits file? > > Thanks in advance. >

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Re: [phenixbb] Table 1 stastics
by Nathaniel Echols 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Katherine Sippel <katherine.sippel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Part of the problem could lie in whether he input the original mtz as > intensities or not. In older versions of phenix some intensities were > dropped if they were below the cutoff and particularly for high res data the > completeness would go down significantly. I know you have implemented the > French and Wilson conversion in the newer versions but if he comes from a > lab like my old one and is refining off of intensities that could be the > culprit. This is a good point, but it depends on the version of Phenix, the type of input data, and how the data file was processed. I checked my code for Table 1 and if the input data are intensities, the negative observations should *not* be discarded. The same goes for phenix.refine, among other programs. However, if amplitudes were used as input for Table 1, and had previously been filtered through a program that does not perform the French & Wilson treatment, they may be missing some data (most of which will probably be at high resolution). One caveat: the reflection file editor in Phenix has an option to convert intensities to amplitudes, but this will not run F&W, which is perhaps a bug... -Nat

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